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mysteryowl

(7,443 posts)
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 12:32 PM Feb 2019

'Uniquely American': Senate passes landmark bill to enlarge national parks

Source: Guardian

Bill sets aside more than 1m acres of new wilderness and conservation areas including rivers in California and Utah.

Joshua Tree and Death Valley national parks are to be enlarged, and stunning river landscapes in California and Utah will be protected, under new legislation that passed the US Senate on Tuesday.

In all the public lands package sets aside more than a million acres of new wilderness and conservation areas in western states.

The Natural Resources Management Act passed 92-8 in the Republican-controlled Senate, a notable bipartisan effort in an administration marked by conservation rollbacks. Since Donald Trump took office, his administration has shrunk national monuments and put large swaths of land up for oil, gas and mining leases, including on the doorsteps of national monuments, parks and wilderness areas. The bill will go to the Democrat-controlled House next, where it’s likely to pass, and then to the president’s desk.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/13/senate-bill-public-lands-national-parks-expanded



Wow. How did this happen? Republicans enjoy exploiting nature and land for profit.

This is actually good news, but from Republicans? What is up their sleeve?
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'Uniquely American': Senate passes landmark bill to enlarge national parks (Original Post) mysteryowl Feb 2019 OP
I hate being this cynical, but someone needs to check for unrelated provisions buried in the text Tom Rinaldo Feb 2019 #1
Agreed hermetic Feb 2019 #5
Yes, in the past Thune, Rounds and Noem tried to slip through a giveaway... IthinkThereforeIAM Feb 2019 #15
Looks like enough support to override Trump's veto if he wants to throw a fit IronLionZion Feb 2019 #2
This seems so unbelievable. There must be a hidden catch. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2019 #3
Unbelievable that Repubs went for this!!! Great news!!!! nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #4
The rape of ANWR has to be in there somewhere Submariner Feb 2019 #6
Arctic National Wildlife Reserve LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2019 #23
There are some compromises MBS Feb 2019 #7
In some parks, hunting is allowed on a limited basis yellowdogintexas Feb 2019 #16
I own property bordering a big national park. Duppers Feb 2019 #21
Good for you. MBS Feb 2019 #22
Democrats are indeed.. Maxheader Feb 2019 #8
OK so who were the 8 who voted No? watoos Feb 2019 #9
In releated news, hours later the republicans shutdown the govt and all the parks were looted. AGAIN ffr Feb 2019 #10
Why are they doing this? It makes me very suspicious ailsagirl Feb 2019 #11
Yip, I was right about Paul voting No. watoos Feb 2019 #12
Cruz... Princess Turandot Feb 2019 #13
of course Rafael Eduardo would vote no yellowdogintexas Feb 2019 #17
More land to "gift" to corporations later. Fuzzpope Feb 2019 #14
My spidey cynical sense is telling me this means more land - more opportunity to rape the resources. Texin Feb 2019 #18
Here are the nays: ehrnst Feb 2019 #19
I think this was a free ride for the Republican majority DFW Feb 2019 #20

Tom Rinaldo

(22,919 posts)
1. I hate being this cynical, but someone needs to check for unrelated provisions buried in the text
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 12:38 PM
Feb 2019

Absent some Trojan Horse, this is an unusually positive initiative.

hermetic

(8,338 posts)
5. Agreed
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 01:14 PM
Feb 2019

Then again, maybe some Rs started getting smart, or concerned about their next elections. If so, I'm glad for it.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,078 posts)
15. Yes, in the past Thune, Rounds and Noem tried to slip through a giveaway...
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 02:05 PM
Feb 2019

... for their rich friends to get part of Spearfish Canyon/Black Hills National Forest by trading worthless Ft Pierre National Grasslands acre for acre.

"Leslie Weldon, the Forest Service’s deputy chief of the National Forest System, testified against Thune’s bill and said in a written statement that “the bill is unnecessary and contains provisions that raise concerns.”

The statement additionally said that the Forest Service already has authority to exchange land without legislation, that the recreation goals in the bill are already met through services provided in the Black Hills National Forest, that the bill proposes land-management requirements that would interfere with the federal government’s authority, and that the bill’s proposed agricultural appraisal of land values is inappropriate."

[link:https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/forest-service-opposes-swap-of-spearfish-canyon-and-bismarck-lake/article_ef44f720-443d-592e-bd50-22f30d46da89.html|

IronLionZion

(45,654 posts)
2. Looks like enough support to override Trump's veto if he wants to throw a fit
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 12:43 PM
Feb 2019

makes me wonder if there is a catch somewhere

Submariner

(12,515 posts)
6. The rape of ANWR has to be in there somewhere
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 01:16 PM
Feb 2019

I've been in this environmental protection biz for 45 years and this stuff doesn't happen without a backdoor screw job.

Check the fine print.

23. Arctic National Wildlife Reserve
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 07:15 PM
Feb 2019

The Right uses "ANWR" to make it sound like a sterile, uninhabitable area far away from the main concerns of the people who live Outside. Out of sight, out of mind, so to speak.

My thought is that they are using this as a "I just want to put the tip in" project. If they can violate a place as pristine as the Reserve, they'll use that as an argument to rape, pillage, and plunder every other protected area in the country.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
7. There are some compromises
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 01:16 PM
Feb 2019
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2019/02/12/senate-just-passed-decades-biggest-public-lands-package-heres-whats-it/?utm_term=.00082bb51ef4


Some of the compromises:
The bill would also be a boon for another constituency — hunters and anglers.
Bow hunters would be allowed to bring their weapons through national parks when trying to reach areas where it is legal to hunt. More important, it makes all federal lands open to hunting, fishing, and recreational shooting unless otherwise specified.
Jesse Deubel, executive director of the New Mexico Wildlife Federation, said in an interview that expanding wilderness in his state will be a powerful lure for hunters seeking bighorn sheep, mule deer, quail and other animals. “People will travel to these places to pursue game in this wild, untamed habitat.” . . .

The package designates several other protected areas in Utah, including the 850-acre Jurassic National Monument and the much more vast San Rafael Swell Recreation Area. Scott Groene, executive director of the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance, said the wilderness designations will keep motorized vehicle use at bay in Desolation and Labyrinth Canyons, part of the dramatic red rock landscape that defines the state.
“Spectacular canyons will remain quiet places,” Groene said.
But in a sign of the trade-offs activists made in the legislation, Groene noted that only half of the river running through these canyons will be protected since only Emery County endorsed the bill. “We’ll have to come back and protect the other half of the river later.”


But there is no doubt that overall this is a big (and it seems veto-proof) win for the environment.The Land and Water Conservation Fund has been reauthorized though (more compromise) funding was not made mandatory.
And this seems like an out-and-out win:
The bill reauthorizes and funds the Neotropical Migratory Bird Conservation Act through 2022, which provides habitat protection for more than 380 bird species, and codifies a signature program of President Barack Obama’s. That program, the Every Kid Outdoors Act, allows U.S. fourth-graders and their families to visit national parks free.

yellowdogintexas

(22,292 posts)
16. In some parks, hunting is allowed on a limited basis
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 02:17 PM
Feb 2019

due to overcrowding of deer. They thrive in the protected environment of a large wooded park and can overflow into the private lands surrounding the park, where they cause damage to farm crops and family gardens.

I have spent a lot of time in/near Mammoth Cave in KY, and driven the boundary roads which surround the park. On the private lands across the road from the park you will see deer stands. The park herds will roam the private land, so the landowners do get them during hunting season (and sometimes out of season but woe be unto you if you get caught our of season, or even shoot into the parklands during the hunting season, or the deer goes back into the park and dies there and a ranger catches up with it) Anyway, the out of park hunting helps thin the herd both in and outside the park. The roamers thin the park herds and the resident out of the park deer keep that population down.

Years ago, seeing a deer along the road in the park was not too common; I usually see groups of them along the road especially at night. They are often run over by tourists.

Duppers

(28,134 posts)
21. I own property bordering a big national park.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 03:19 PM
Feb 2019

We have bear (and their scat ) all over our property but if a bear hunter steps foot on our land, I'll call authorities.

Maxheader

(4,374 posts)
8. Democrats are indeed..
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 01:22 PM
Feb 2019

A party for the republicuns to look up to and follow their examples.
Maybe they'll start to see the global warming affect as something
they need to get involved in..

ffr

(22,681 posts)
10. In releated news, hours later the republicans shutdown the govt and all the parks were looted. AGAIN
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 01:25 PM
Feb 2019

ailsagirl

(22,908 posts)
11. Why are they doing this? It makes me very suspicious
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 01:29 PM
Feb 2019

I would be amazed if it turns out not to have a major glitch somewhere

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
12. Yip, I was right about Paul voting No.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 01:35 PM
Feb 2019

Also voting No were the 2 Senators from Ok., Kennedy from La. Johnson from Wi., Lee was the big opponent, my Senator from Pa. voted no, Pat Toomey. I'm missing someone.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
19. Here are the nays:
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 02:55 PM
Feb 2019

Cruz (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (R-WI)
Lankford (R-OK)
Lee (R-UT)
Paul (R-KY)
Sasse (R-NE)
Toomey (R-PA)

DFW

(54,506 posts)
20. I think this was a free ride for the Republican majority
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 03:10 PM
Feb 2019

Who doesn't like National Parks, right? And then they can say, "see? We stand up to Trump when we want to! We are not yes-man robots."

It's nice they voted for Yogi Bear and Boo-Boo, but it would be nice if they had shown some spine on something vital like Kavanutcase, too.

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