Dems prepare to force Trump to reveal private talks with Putin
Source: Politico
Key chairmen met with the House general counsel in a bid to put any subpoena fight on firm legal ground.
By ANDREW DESIDERIO 02/16/2019 06:51 AM EST
House Democrats are taking their first real steps to force President Donald Trump to divulge information about his private conversations with Russian President Vladimir Putin, setting up an extraordinary clash with the White House over Congress oversight authority.
Rep. Adam Schiff, the Intelligence Committee chairman, and Rep. Eliot Engel, the Foreign Affairs Committee chairman, told POLITICO they are actively consulting with House General Counsel Douglas Letter about the best way to legally compel the Trump administration to turn over documents or other information related to the presidents one-on-one discussions with the Russian leader.
I had a meeting with the general counsel to discuss this and determine the best way to find out what took place in those private meetings whether its by seeking the interpreters testimony, the interpreters notes, or other means, Schiff (D-Calif.) said in a brief interview.
Its a development that indicates Schiff and Engel are close to taking action on the matter; key members of the majority party often consult with the chambers general counsel on issues that could end up playing out in court. Democrats want to ensure that they are on the strongest possible legal ground because they anticipate the Trump administration will mount spirited challenges.
Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/16/dems-trump-putin-private-talks-1173275
turbinetree
(24,745 posts)yesterday.....................then interpreters notes and a live interpreter, will be needed for the bat shit insanity that the public saw in real time, and what and how dangerous this malignant narcissistic psychopath is.
Because if anything he proved that he is bat shit insane with his agenda of being an absolute clusterfuck malignant narcissistic psychopath and he more than likely sold out this country, because he doesn't give one iota about the Constitution.............its his way or the highway..................
November 3, 2020 cannot get here fast enough.....................
Leith
(7,817 posts)If you were the interpreter, knowing what you know about DFT, the ongoing investigations, the daily scandals, and being there when the conversation was going on, would you keep your own copy of your notes in case your bosses in the White House decided that they wanted all materials in their own possession?
Being the president's interpreter requires a high security clearance and that person would know treason when he or she sees and hears it. It wouldn't be surprising if Mueller had the notes already.
Igel
(35,390 posts)For the immediate task.
That function also imposes limits on what you write.
Since the goal is to understand what's in the source language and write down what you'll need to remember in order to put it in the target language, you first understand and then write only what you don't think you'll be sure to remember. That might be isolated words, it might be symbols, it might be phrases or complete sentences. It will vary from minute to minute. Often you write down questions--the words or phrases that require a bit of work to recast in the target language. Sometimes you write down novel phrases in the source language. Notice--for Trump's interpreter, all of that is Putin-related. You might get what Putin said partially reflected, and from that will have to reconstruct what Putin must have said; and from that, what Trump must have previously said. Or maybe not. Depends how closely Putin tracked Trump's speech. With the caveat that Putin has a habit of telling people what they "really" meant, not what they actually said or what they think they meant. In other words, words get twisted. But people tend to trust Putin and Putin-connected sources rather implicitly when it suits them.
There are exceptions when your notes reflect your client's speech. If the client's using a word strangely or if it has a specific meaning or nuance, you jot it down. That keeps you from using it in the wrong place or helps you to ID its equivalent in what you think of as the source language. You might also jot down when the other guy's interpreter gets something wrong, so you can clarify that the other interpreter misunderstood or misrepresented.
Notes for an hour can be a sentence or two, or 5 pages or 10 pages. But the more you write that you don't need, the more distracted you are from understanding what's being said, and the worse you are at your function.
denbot
(9,901 posts)She is with him for a reason deeper than money.
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)without consultation and completely unknown to anyone but them. How can that be legal? How can that be governance? That would be saying the President of the United States can be a government unto itself and is responsible to no one. Once elected, they can have private meetings with foreign powers and give away any military secrets or defense plans as they wish. Not even a tRump court and Bill Barr could agree with this.
onetexan
(13,081 posts)several private meetings with Russians and Putin and no staff or reporters allowed. Clearly the audacious Idiot has nothing to hide
cstanleytech
(26,362 posts)What our guys should consider is subpoenaing him to get him to testify under oath and if he lies then they can impeach him.
jalan48
(13,916 posts)That interpreter lady is scared half to death.
They need to get this done while she is still around to obtain testimony from.
Igel
(35,390 posts)It's the kind of thing that makes you radioactive.
If she doesn't say what the investigators want, destruction in order to get the right answers is certainly not off the table.
If you give the right answers, destruction in order to revenge breech of confidentiality is also not off the table. Two people know what's been said, and if you say "A" and the client says "B", you have to turn to Putin and his interpreter for validation.
If Putin backs Trump, it's part of the collusion. If he doesn't, Putin's absolutely trustworthy.
But if you divulge confidential information, you're no longer trustworthy. If you say you don't remember, you're a tool and incompetent.
Interpreters are background.
Remember Carter's Polish interpreter? Somebody off on the side heard his translation and put a spin on it. The spin went far and wide. A later review by experts concluded that he was right and the media were wrong. You had to be paying pretty close attention to details in really obscure news sources to learn that. Why? Because the NYT and WaPo and LAT weren't about to say, "Oh, yeah, we listened to somebody who was wrong and seriously destroyed this one guy's reputation because we were lazy." Plus ça change ... все одно и то же будет.
Fuzzpope
(602 posts)That Putin confirms the interpreter, even if she lies about what was said in a damaging manner.
In equal amounts, Putin appears to enjoy facilitating Trump and twisting the knife in his back.
He must absolutely loath Trump for betrayal of his own people. I truly believe such things matter, even to Putin as he derives benefits from it.
Donald Trump, before this is over, is clearly destined to be the most widely hated human being to ever be born.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,180 posts)Because I can't see Donnie Doolittle taking with him anyone that did not swear a loyalty oath to him first.
Fuzzpope
(602 posts)ffr
(22,681 posts)The president serves the people, not his own interests. I think people have forgotten that.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)this president is a traitor to this nation. How they live with themselves day to day is beyond me. This is not worth keeping a job or a paycheck. We know that this is the best job Sarah Huckabee Sanders could ever get in her lifetime with her political science degree from Ouachita Baptist University in Arkansas and her only jobs being having worked knocking on doors for her father's campaigns. But even she has to have a brain and a conscience somewhere under all those layers of sarcasm. But the truth will eventually come to light and those people who knew, but remained silent, should be deemed traitors as well. This White House will go down in history as worse than the Watergate conspirators and all those who participated in the cover up, and their children will bear this scorn for life.
kwolf68
(7,365 posts)And maybe this is for some much more civic minded than I am, is why would Trump document nefarious dealings with Putin?
Cold War Spook
(1,279 posts)They kept notes on the Holocaust. Thankfully they did so after the war many people were able to find out what happened to their families.
Cold War Spook
(1,279 posts)It puts Trump in an even bigger bind.
MBS
(9,688 posts)marble falls
(57,540 posts)brandnewday2009
(287 posts)a deluded, pathological liar/sociopath doesn't even know the definition of "truth"
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)Putin speaks and understands English. He was/is a master intel agent. Anything he wanted tRUMP to know about what he (Putin) wants, and to remind tRUMP of what he is holding over tRUMP would be out of the interpreter's hearing IMO. Anything that the interpreter has documented will be standard bla bla bla....UNLESS the interpreter noted that Putin and tRUMP had a conversation out of hearing range or they advised the interpreter to not document this part of the meeting. If that's the case it's he/she said he said. So I don't think we will see much from the notes of the interpreter. Just sayin... another take.
Fuzzpope
(602 posts)It suited a twisted agenda of Putin's for the interpreter specifically to hear something crazy.
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babylonsister
(171,111 posts)think he would have done that if Putin hired this person. I believe Putin had his own?
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/01/trump-putin-meeting-interpreter-notes
Trump Reportedly Confiscated Interpreters Notes to Keep Putin Meeting Details Secret
riversedge
(70,466 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)damaging, they wouldnt do it where the whole world knows they are meeting. Wed never know they met, or more likely talked by secure phone, with one well trusted interpreter. More likely, their henchmen would deliver messages.
Itll be another publicized dead end, just like the blocked phone number after trump tower meeting.