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Omaha Steve

(99,789 posts)
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 01:00 PM Jan 2020

Duke Energy agrees to remove coal ash in North Carolina

Source: AP

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — The state of North Carolina says it has secured an agreement with Duke Energy to excavate nearly 80 million tons (72.5 million metric tons) of coal ash at six facilities.

The Department of Environmental Quality said in a Thursday press release that it will be the largest coal ash cleanup in the nation’s history. It also settles various legal disputes between Duke and parties that include environmental and community groups.

For decades, coal ash has been stored in landfills or in ponds, often near waterways into which toxins can leach.

Duke Energy will remove coal ash from the Allen, Belews Creek, Cliffside, Marshall, Mayo and Roxboro sites into on-site lined landfills.

Read more: https://apnews.com/802d92f2b11a3838f60c899031b014af

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Duke Energy agrees to remove coal ash in North Carolina (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jan 2020 OP
As they say in the South, mighty white of them. They're evil. ancianita Jan 2020 #1
I thought fly ash was used to strengthen concrete? Throck Jan 2020 #2
true, in small quantities quaker bill Jan 2020 #13
Doesn't say where they are going to put it. keithbvadu2 Jan 2020 #3
On site landfills .... that have liners Botany Jan 2020 #4
Yes that and FGD sludge quaker bill Jan 2020 #14
Simple Solution Botany Jan 2020 #15
it is an answer that is making sense more and more quaker bill Jan 2020 #16
The utility companies have spent billions switching from coal to gas because: Botany Jan 2020 #17
I trust that they will.............in about 30 years. Firestorm49 Jan 2020 #5
Will they dredge the rivers? SCVDem Jan 2020 #6
Hmm- when I was a young pup in the Pittsburgh area packman Jan 2020 #7
So how much are they going to charge us to do it? Miguelito Loveless Jan 2020 #8
Unfortunately they're probably running to the Public Staff right now to ask for an increase. steventh Jan 2020 #11
Actuallly, I just read a local stpry Miguelito Loveless Jan 2020 #12
"Agrees," forsooth? malthaussen Jan 2020 #9
Well hot damn. Something good happened. mahina Jan 2020 #10

Throck

(2,520 posts)
2. I thought fly ash was used to strengthen concrete?
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 01:07 PM
Jan 2020

IIRC NY Thruway Authority was using in their bridge concrete. The small particle size made for stronger concrete and made it less impervious to water thus reducing frost damage.


Hmmmmm...........

quaker bill

(8,225 posts)
13. true, in small quantities
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 09:11 PM
Jan 2020

we make a lot more flyash than anyone can use. A bit of it also goes in asphalt. It is a bit too radioactive, and loaded with heavy metals and arsenic, for other potential uses. Duke energy is not dumping anything it could sell.

keithbvadu2

(36,964 posts)
3. Doesn't say where they are going to put it.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 01:13 PM
Jan 2020

Doesn't say where they are going to put it.

Wonder whose back yard?

Botany

(70,616 posts)
4. On site landfills .... that have liners
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 01:24 PM
Jan 2020

Not the best but better than just leaving it as is.

BTW coal fly ash is one of the reasons that all the power plants have switched to
natural gas.

quaker bill

(8,225 posts)
14. Yes that and FGD sludge
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 09:21 PM
Jan 2020

FGD = Flue Gas Desulphurization (sludge)

It is a product of stripping SO2 and SO3 from the exhaust gasses to prevent acid rain. It is done by water spray extraction creating sulphuric and sulphamic acids. These are neutralized with powered lime creating an acidic gypsum sludge, and a coal fired power plant makes a lot of it. It is better on the ground than in the air, but only so much better unless you dispose of it well.

It also has the problem of being mildly radioactive and containing some mercury and arsenic. Lovely stuff.

quaker bill

(8,225 posts)
16. it is an answer that is making sense more and more
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 09:29 PM
Jan 2020

gas is far easier on the equipment and leaves little if any residue to deal with. If you make the coal operators cover the expense of properly dealing with the waste, conversions will happen faster and faster. My experience as an environmental scientist in FL included R&D for remediation of this stuff and the quantities are huge.

Botany

(70,616 posts)
17. The utility companies have spent billions switching from coal to gas because:
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 10:19 AM
Jan 2020

gas is cheaper
gas is easier to use
gas is cleaner ... still a potent green house gas producer
gas is easier on the equipment
and as you pointed out it doesn't produce tons and tons of dirty byproducts ... fly ash and so on.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
7. Hmm- when I was a young pup in the Pittsburgh area
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 02:51 PM
Jan 2020

We used to call the reddish crap spewed out from the mills: Red Dog (don't know why-don't ask). I recall literally mountains of it on the way into Pittsburgh. Only good use it had, I heard, was in mixing it with this and that to make some very durable roads. Is that the same as Fly Ash I wonder?

steventh

(2,143 posts)
11. Unfortunately they're probably running to the Public Staff right now to ask for an increase.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:25 PM
Jan 2020

We get to pay for it. But at least it's something worth doing. Unlike when we had to pay for Duke's nuclear power plants.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,475 posts)
12. Actuallly, I just read a local stpry
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:48 PM
Jan 2020

and, yep, Duke sticks it to the rate payers with the government's blessing.

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