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Amy-Strange

(854 posts)
Tue May 26, 2020, 06:20 PM May 2020

The coronavirus pandemic is deadlier in counties where Democrats live

Last edited Wed May 27, 2020, 04:27 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: MSN

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On the left, many have advocated caution about easing public-health measures too soon. On the right, there are growing calls for the economy to reopen, allowing workers to return to their jobs...

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-coronavirus-pandemic-is-deadlier-in-counties-where-democrats-live/ar-BB14D4C0?ocid=spartandhp



The reason I think this is breaking news is because it mentions that the mortality rates amongst US counties, that have predominantly voted republican, is now slowly on the rise, and I think this is important to know and also worth watching.

If the cases continue to rise, how will this affect the election in five months?

ORIGINAL ARTICLE FROM BUSINESS INSIDER:
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-deadlier-in-democratic-counties-analysis-2020-5

ACTUAL ORIGINAL ARTICLE FROM NYT:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/25/us/politics/coronavirus-red-blue-states.html
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The coronavirus pandemic is deadlier in counties where Democrats live (Original Post) Amy-Strange May 2020 OP
Oh, for fuck's sake. No it isn't. Most urban areas are more crowded and more Democratic. Squinch May 2020 #1
What you said is what the article also said... Amy-Strange May 2020 #4
And I should do that because the headline gave what followed such a lot of credibility? Squinch May 2020 #6
Not for that reason... Amy-Strange May 2020 #22
The headline was published by Business Insider which is clearly a reputable source. Judi Lynn May 2020 #38
You are seeing Business Insider dealing in shady click bait journalism in this headline. Squinch May 2020 #43
The headline is actually from the NYT, but... Amy-Strange May 2020 #44
Yes it IS deadlier there. Bernardo de La Paz May 2020 #8
Headline is totally lame ... the BI article itself is reasonably informative ... mr_lebowski May 2020 #16
And PS, this isn't breaking news. SMDH. Squinch May 2020 #2
It is, because it reports that predominantly GOP area infections are also rising... Amy-Strange May 2020 #7
You really shouldn't post articles with ignorant right wing talking points as headlines. Squinch May 2020 #11
Ignorant? Amy-Strange May 2020 #19
Why did you put that headline? rockfordfile May 2020 #14
I didn't pick the headline... Amy-Strange May 2020 #20
By following D.U. rules, and posting the headline given the article by the publisher. Judi Lynn May 2020 #39
Thank you Judi, I really appreciate that, but to be honest... Amy-Strange May 2020 #41
Gee, really? May be because 2/3 of the US population lives in large, denser cities. PSPS May 2020 #3
That's what the article said also... Amy-Strange May 2020 #9
In the end, it will be on average deadlier in the rural areas. roamer65 May 2020 #5
Exactly... Amy-Strange May 2020 #13
Ok I looked at Alabama jimfields33 May 2020 #24
Give it time. roamer65 May 2020 #27
I'm sure that's true but the article was about what's happening now and last three months. jimfields33 May 2020 #28
Highly unlikely FBaggins May 2020 #42
Not for long.... Nictuku May 2020 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 May 2020 #12
It's news because... Amy-Strange May 2020 #18
I've read articles exactly the reverse Thekaspervote May 2020 #15
Please share and compare. maxsolomon May 2020 #23
Could you link them here... Amy-Strange May 2020 #25
Because it's hitting marginalized communities hardest. RandySF May 2020 #17
I wish you'd link the ACTUAL original article from the NYT: maxsolomon May 2020 #21
Will do... Amy-Strange May 2020 #26
MSN is/are idiots... it is like the don't even read the news or fact sheets except for Rachele NotHardly May 2020 #29
Who's Rachele? Amy-Strange May 2020 #30
You are confusing MSN.com for MSNBC, which is NBC's cable news station. Judi Lynn May 2020 #40
RWers believe the virus is a Democrat killer, a minority killer, NameAlreadyTaken May 2020 #31
The cases are starting to rise in US counties that predominantly vote republican... Amy-Strange Jun 2020 #45
So they will need to vote before they die... NameAlreadyTaken Jun 2020 #46
That's horrible, but... Amy-Strange Jun 2020 #47
Assumes Total Party Segregation modrepub May 2020 #32
All good points, and... Amy-Strange May 2020 #33
I read the article rpannier May 2020 #34
I also agree it's an obvious click-bait trap, but... Amy-Strange May 2020 #35
Annoying how so many issues of the day Steelrolled May 2020 #36
I almost agree, except... Amy-Strange May 2020 #37

Squinch

(51,061 posts)
1. Oh, for fuck's sake. No it isn't. Most urban areas are more crowded and more Democratic.
Tue May 26, 2020, 06:23 PM
May 2020

The earliest stages of the spread naturally occurred there because of the greater concentrations of people.

But it is just as deadly in Podunk as it is in Los Angeles.

As you, and the ignoramus who wrote that ridiculous headline, will soon see.

Amy-Strange

(854 posts)
4. What you said is what the article also said...
Tue May 26, 2020, 06:28 PM
May 2020

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and you would know this if you read the whole thing.
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Amy-Strange

(854 posts)
22. Not for that reason...
Tue May 26, 2020, 06:42 PM
May 2020

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but because I wouldn't comment on something that I haven't read first, but that's me.
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Judi Lynn

(160,655 posts)
38. The headline was published by Business Insider which is clearly a reputable source.
Wed May 27, 2020, 02:57 AM
May 2020

You'll see it at the original source if you follow the link provided at the end of the article:

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-deadlier-in-democratic-counties-analysis-2020-5

Never have heard Business Insider deals in shady journalism.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,054 posts)
8. Yes it IS deadlier there.
Tue May 26, 2020, 06:30 PM
May 2020

For the reasons you state, plus

... more poor people among Democrats than Republicons.

... worse healthcare than in the suburbs.

Also note that the headline is about the pandemic, not the virus.

Unfortunately Greed Over People has nationwide stranglehold on human decency.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
16. Headline is totally lame ... the BI article itself is reasonably informative ...
Tue May 26, 2020, 06:35 PM
May 2020

But it's an obvious click-bait headline, no doubt.

There are disparities though between Red and Blue counties, that much is true. And it's not in our favor.

Amy-Strange

(854 posts)
7. It is, because it reports that predominantly GOP area infections are also rising...
Tue May 26, 2020, 06:30 PM
May 2020

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You really should read the article first.
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Judi Lynn

(160,655 posts)
39. By following D.U. rules, and posting the headline given the article by the publisher.
Wed May 27, 2020, 03:00 AM
May 2020

Why take your time to try to hammer someone who hasn't posted more than 78 times?

Usually that is considered a new-comer who hasn't spent a ton of time here reading and posting, yet.

Amy-Strange

(854 posts)
41. Thank you Judi, I really appreciate that, but to be honest...
Wed May 27, 2020, 06:00 AM
May 2020

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I've been here since 2003 (originally as AmyStrange), and I think I've got over a thousand post, maybe more, and I should've been more careful, but I'm going to go fix that right now.
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roamer65

(36,747 posts)
5. In the end, it will be on average deadlier in the rural areas.
Tue May 26, 2020, 06:29 PM
May 2020

Just look at Alabama right now.

Less access to ICU facilities equals a higher mortality rate.

Amy-Strange

(854 posts)
13. Exactly...
Tue May 26, 2020, 06:33 PM
May 2020

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and that's what the article also said, including that mortality rates are also going up in predominantly GOP areas.
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FBaggins

(26,777 posts)
42. Highly unlikely
Wed May 27, 2020, 07:07 AM
May 2020

Far less likely to catch it.

Just look at Alabama right now.

"Alabama" is not synonymous with "rural areas". Even in comparatively rural Alabama, there are areas (Birmingham, Mobile, Montgomery) of much higher population density.


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Amy-Strange

(854 posts)
18. It's news because...
Tue May 26, 2020, 06:36 PM
May 2020

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like I explained above, it's news because mortality rates from the virus are now increasing in predominantly GOP areas.

To me, that's important news.
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maxsolomon

(33,432 posts)
21. I wish you'd link the ACTUAL original article from the NYT:
Tue May 26, 2020, 06:42 PM
May 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/25/us/politics/coronavirus-red-blue-states.html

I think this explains quite a bit about the White Riots we're seeing at State Capitols.

It just isn't as real in the Exurbs - it's there, but when it kills Urbanites in greater numbers, Conservatives could give a shit. Nothing's real until it happens to them.

Judi Lynn

(160,655 posts)
40. You are confusing MSN.com for MSNBC, which is NBC's cable news station.
Wed May 27, 2020, 03:08 AM
May 2020

Had you bothered to read the article, you would have seen the article was taken from Business Insider, which posted it slightly earlier. They also reprint articles from other reputable news sources, like the Washington Post, and the New York Times, never anything stupid or trashy, or idiotic. You would know this if you read the articles there.

I think you may be referring to Rachel Maddow. She does work at MSNBC.

NameAlreadyTaken

(982 posts)
31. RWers believe the virus is a Democrat killer, a minority killer,
Tue May 26, 2020, 08:51 PM
May 2020

and a senior killer. They believe it kills everyone except them. That's why they don't social distance, they don't respect mask requirements or stay-at-home orders. They believe somehow they are immune to it, or if they get it, it will be just like another flu, and that God will save them.

Amy-Strange

(854 posts)
45. The cases are starting to rise in US counties that predominantly vote republican...
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 01:42 PM
Jun 2020

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and I wonder how that will affect the election in five months?
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modrepub

(3,504 posts)
32. Assumes Total Party Segregation
Tue May 26, 2020, 08:55 PM
May 2020

Which isn't true. Take PA for example. Philadelphia and Allegheny County are typical Democratic strong holds, but numerically there are more registered Republicans in Allegheny County than any other county in the state. In Philadelphia County there are more registered Republicans than all but 7 counties (and one of those was Allegheny County). Allegheny and Philadelphia counties have as more registered Republicans as the 29 lowest populated counties in the state; only one of those counties had more registered Democratic voters than Republican voters.

So on the whole, there are substantial numbers of Republicans in the "Democratic" counties that the article kind of ignores. I will agree that some of this is just due to population density, but I'll argue that, at least in my state (Pennsylvania), a lot of it can be linked to social mobility. The areas with the highest incidence of COVID-19 cases are generally areas where people travel a lot in their daily routines (due mainly to economic circumstances). Longer commute times, work travel distances, work travel obligations, taking kids to sport activities and day care et cetera lead to a better chance of coming in contact with someone infected or if you are asymptomatic infected more people you can transfer the virus to.

rpannier

(24,345 posts)
34. I read the article
Tue May 26, 2020, 09:11 PM
May 2020

It's actually quite good
The headline they put was designed as either click-bait or so they can claim a non-liberal bias
But, if you read it, it's quite nuanced and good.

Amy-Strange

(854 posts)
35. I also agree it's an obvious click-bait trap, but...
Tue May 26, 2020, 09:19 PM
May 2020

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the ACTUAL original article is from the NYT, and I heard it was even better!
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Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
36. Annoying how so many issues of the day
Tue May 26, 2020, 09:21 PM
May 2020

have to be somehow tied into politics. This thread is a perfect example. I realize this is a political website, but come on! There are differences (not huge) in policy between democratic and republican states, but it seems it hasn't much mattered. It seems some places were destined to get hit hard, for reasons we don't yet fully understand, but I think it can be said it has little to do with politics.

Amy-Strange

(854 posts)
37. I almost agree, except...
Tue May 26, 2020, 09:35 PM
May 2020

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I found it interesting to read that the mortality rates in areas that predominantly vote republican are beginning to go up, and I wonder how that will affect the election in five months.

That part of it is definitely political.
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