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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,239 posts)
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 05:42 AM Jul 2020

Trump responds to calls to tear down monuments with creation of 'National Garden' of statues

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Source: The Hill

Trump responds to calls to tear down monuments with creation of 'National Garden' of statues
BY TAL AXELROD - 07/03/20 11:54 PM EDT

The White House unveiled an executive order Friday evening to create a "National Garden of American Heroes" that will feature statues of prominent Americans.

The executive order, which President Trump announced during a Fourth of July celebration at Mount Rushmore, comes as the nation grapples with calls to tear down Confederate statues across the country and address other racist iconography.

"These statues are silent teachers in solid form of stone and metal. They preserve the memory of our American story and stir in us a spirit of responsibility for the chapters yet unwritten. These works of art call forth gratitude for the accomplishments and sacrifices of our exceptional fellow citizens who, despite their flaws, placed their virtues, their talents, and their lives in the service of our Nation," reads the executive order, which was disseminated by the White House.

The executive order establishes the Task Force for Building and Rebuilding Monuments to American Heroes, which will be empowered to use funding from the Interior Department to establish the site. The task force has 60 days to submit a report to the White House detailing options for the creation of the National Garden, including potential locations.

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Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/505842-trump-responds-to-calls-to-tear-down-monuments-with-creation-of



Hat tip to a forum host for finding a news story about this. I heard about it on KYW this morning during the 5 a.m. news.

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The Latest: Trump to establish ‘National Garden’ of heroes

https://apnews.com/ab95adeb3a6102c88c45111cf829b3b6

MOUNT RUSHMORE NATIONAL MEMORIAL, S.D. (AP) — The Latest on President Donald Trump’s July Fourth celebration at Mount Rushmore (all times local):

9:30 p.m.

President Donald Trump says he will establish a “National Garden of American Heroes,” which he is describing as “a vast outdoor park that will feature the statues of the greatest Americans who ever lived.”

Trump made the announcement as he opened the Fourth of July weekend with a speech and fireworks at the iconic Mount Rushmore.

He led into the announcement by paying tribute to a litany of American icons, from political figures like Ulysses S. Grant and Frederick Douglass to entertainers like Elvis Presley and Frank Sinatra.

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The heroes have been determined by a committee of two. So has the style of the statues.

Writers and journalists need not apply.

Upton Sinclair and Jack London will not be among them, but Billy Graham and Antonin Scalia will.

All that's left for you to do is pay off the cronies who will be chosen to receive the money that will be wasted on this foolishness.

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https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-building-rebuilding-monuments-american-heroes/

EXECUTIVE ORDERS

Executive Order on Building and Rebuilding Monuments to American Heroes
Issued on: July 3, 2020

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Purpose. America owes its present greatness to its past sacrifices. Because the past is always at risk of being forgotten, monuments will always be needed to honor those who came before. Since the time of our founding, Americans have raised monuments to our greatest citizens. In 1784, the legislature of Virginia commissioned the earliest statue of George Washington, a "monument of affection and gratitude" to a man who "unit[ed] to the endowment[s] of the Hero the virtues of the Patriot" and gave to the world "an Immortal Example of true Glory." I Res. H. Del. (June 24, 1784). In our public parks and plazas, we have erected statues of great Americans who, through acts of wisdom and daring, built and preserved for us a republic of ordered liberty.

These statues are silent teachers in solid form of stone and metal. They preserve the memory of our American story and stir in us a spirit of responsibility for the chapters yet unwritten. These works of art call forth gratitude for the accomplishments and sacrifices of our exceptional fellow citizens who, despite their flaws, placed their virtues, their talents, and their lives in the service of our Nation. These monuments express our noblest ideals: respect for our ancestors, love of freedom, and striving for a more perfect union. They are works of beauty, created as enduring tributes. In preserving them, we show reverence for our past, we dignify our present, and we inspire those who are to come. To build a monument is to ratify our shared national project.

To destroy a monument is to desecrate our common inheritance. In recent weeks, in the midst of protests across America, many monuments have been vandalized or destroyed. Some local governments have responded by taking their monuments down. Among others, monuments to Christopher Columbus, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Francis Scott Key, Ulysses S. Grant, leaders of the abolitionist movement, the first all-volunteer African-American regiment of the Union Army in the Civil War, and American soldiers killed in the First and Second World Wars have been vandalized, destroyed, or removed.

These statues are not ours alone, to be discarded at the whim of those inflamed by fashionable political passions; they belong to generations that have come before us and to generations yet unborn. My Administration will not abide an assault on our collective national memory. In the face of such acts of destruction, it is our responsibility as Americans to stand strong against this violence, and to peacefully transmit our great national story to future generations through newly commissioned monuments to American heroes.

Sec. 2. Task Force for Building and Rebuilding Monuments to American Heroes. (a) There is hereby established the Interagency Task Force for Building and Rebuilding Monuments to American Heroes (Task Force). The Task Force shall be chaired by the Secretary of the Interior (Secretary), and shall include the following additional members:

(i) the Administrator of General Services (Administrator);

(ii) the Chairperson of the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA);

(iii) the Chairperson of the National Endowment for the Humanities (NEH);

(iv) the Chairman of the Advisory Council on Historic Preservation (ACHP); and

(v) any officers or employees of any executive department or agency (agency) designated by the President or the Secretary.

(b) The Department of the Interior shall provide funding and administrative support as may be necessary for the performance and functions of the Task Force. The Secretary shall designate an official of the Department of the Interior to serve as the Executive Director of the Task Force, responsible for coordinating its day-to-day activities.

(c) The Chairpersons of the NEA and NEH and the Chairman of the ACHP shall establish cross-department initiatives within the NEA, NEH, and ACHP, respectively, to advance the purposes of the Task Force and this order and to coordinate relevant agency operations with the Task Force.

Sec. 3. National Garden of American Heroes. (a) It shall be the policy of the United States to establish a statuary park named the National Garden of American Heroes (National Garden).

(b) Within 60 days of the date of this order, the Task Force shall submit a report to the President through the Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy that proposes options for the creation of the National Garden, including potential locations for the site. In identifying options, the Task Force shall:

(i) strive to open the National Garden expeditiously;

(ii) evaluate the feasibility of creating the National Garden through a variety of potential avenues, including existing agency authorities and appropriations; and

(iii) consider the availability of authority to encourage and accept the donation or loan of statues by States, localities, civic organizations, businesses, religious organizations, and individuals, for display at the National Garden.

(c) In addition to the requirements of subsection 3(b) of this order, the proposed options for the National Garden should adhere to the criteria described in subsections (c)(i) through (c)(vi) of this section.

(i) The National Garden should be composed of statues, including statues of John Adams, Susan B. Anthony, Clara Barton, Daniel Boone, Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, Henry Clay, Davy Crockett, Frederick Douglass, Amelia Earhart, Benjamin Franklin, Billy Graham, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, Martin Luther King, Jr., Abraham Lincoln, Douglas MacArthur, Dolley Madison, James Madison, Christa McAuliffe, Audie Murphy, George S. Patton, Jr., Ronald Reagan, Jackie Robinson, Betsy Ross, Antonin Scalia, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Harriet Tubman, Booker T. Washington, George Washington, and Orville and Wilbur Wright.

(ii) The National Garden should be opened for public access prior to the 250th anniversary of the proclamation of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 2026.

(iii) Statues should depict historically significant Americans, as that term is defined in section 7 of this order, who have contributed positively to America throughout our history. Examples include: the Founding Fathers, those who fought for the abolition of slavery or participated in the underground railroad, heroes of the United States Armed Forces, recipients of the Congressional Medal of Honor or Presidential Medal of Freedom, scientists and inventors, entrepreneurs, civil rights leaders, missionaries and religious leaders, pioneers and explorers, police officers and firefighters killed or injured in the line of duty, labor leaders, advocates for the poor and disadvantaged, opponents of national socialism or international socialism, former Presidents of the United States and other elected officials, judges and justices, astronauts, authors, intellectuals, artists, and teachers. None will have lived perfect lives, but all will be worth honoring, remembering, and studying.

(iv) All statues in the National Garden should be lifelike or realistic representations of the persons they depict, not abstract or modernist representations.

(v) The National Garden should be located on a site of natural beauty that enables visitors to enjoy nature, walk among the statues, and be inspired to learn about great figures of America's history. The site should be proximate to at least one major population center, and the site should not cause significant disruption to the local community.

(vi) As part of its civic education mission, the National Garden should also separately maintain a collection of statues for temporary display at appropriate sites around the United States that are accessible to the general public.

Sec. 4. Commissioning of New Statues and Works of Art. (a) The Task Force shall examine the appropriations authority of the agencies represented on it in light of the purpose and policy of this order. Based on its examination of relevant authorities, the Task Force shall make recommendations for the use of these agencies' appropriations.

(b) To the extent appropriate and consistent with applicable law and the other provisions of this order, Task Force agencies that are authorized to provide for the commissioning of statues or monuments shall, in expending funds, give priority to projects involving the commissioning of publicly accessible statues of persons meeting the criteria described in section 3(b)(iii) of this order, with particular preference for statues of the Founding Fathers, former Presidents of the United States, leading abolitionists, and individuals involved in the discovery of America.

(c) To the extent appropriate and consistent with applicable law, these agencies shall prioritize projects that will result in the installation of a statue as described in subsection (b) of this section in a community where a statue depicting a historically significant American was removed or destroyed in conjunction with the events described in section 1 of this order.

(d) After consulting with the Task Force, the Administrator of General Services shall promptly revise and thereafter operate the General Service Administration's (GSA's) Art in Architecture (AIA) Policies and Procedures, GSA Acquisition Letter V-10-01, and Part 102-77 of title 41, Code of Federal Regulations, to prioritize the commission of works of art that portray historically significant Americans or events of American historical significance or illustrate the ideals upon which our Nation was founded. Priority should be given to public-facing monuments to former Presidents of the United States and to individuals and events relating to the discovery of America, the founding of the United States, and the abolition of slavery. Such works of art should be designed to be appreciated by the general public and by those who use and interact with Federal buildings. Priority should be given to this policy above other policies contained in part 102-77 of title 41, Code of Federal Regulations, and revisions made pursuant to this subsection shall be made to supersede any regulatory provisions of AIA that may conflict with or otherwise impede advancing the purposes of this subsection.

(e) When a statue or work of art commissioned pursuant to this section is meant to depict a historically significant American, the statue or work of art shall be a lifelike or realistic representation of that person, not an abstract or modernist representation.

Sec. 5. Educational Programming. The Chairperson of the NEH shall prioritize the allocation of funding to programs and projects that educate Americans about the founding documents and founding ideals of the United States, as appropriate and to the extent consistent with applicable law, including section 956 of title 20, United States Code. The founding documents include the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Federalist Papers. The founding ideals include equality under the law, respect for inalienable individual rights, and representative self-government. Within 90 days of the conclusion of each Fiscal Year from 2021 through 2026, the Chairperson shall submit a report to the President through the Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy that identifies funding allocated to programs and projects pursuant to this section.

Sec. 6. Protection of National Garden and Statues Commissioned Pursuant to this Order. The Attorney General shall apply section 3 of Executive Order 13933 of June 26, 2020 (Protecting American Monuments, Memorials, and Statues and Combating Recent Criminal Violence), with respect to violations of Federal law regarding the National Garden and all statues commissioned pursuant to this order.

Sec. 7. Definition. The term "historically significant American" means an individual who was, or became, an American citizen and was a public figure who made substantive contributions to America's public life or otherwise had a substantive effect on America's history. The phrase also includes public figures such as Christopher Columbus, Junipero Serra, and the Marquis de La Fayette, who lived prior to or during the American Revolution and were not American citizens, but who made substantive historical contributions to the discovery, development, or independence of the future United States.

Sec. 8. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

DONALD J. TRUMP

THE WHITE HOUSE,
July 3, 2020.
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Trump responds to calls to tear down monuments with creation of 'National Garden' of statues (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2020 OP
There's not enough time to do this, IMHO. secondwind Jul 2020 #1
Even if there is, if he can create it with an executive order, Biden can destroy it with one Flaleftist Jul 2020 #16
He'll do anything to get his "statue". Guilded Lilly Jul 2020 #2
This man is obsessed with statues. Nobody cares about American/Confederate statutes more than Trump. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2020 #3
Clearly, this was written up by funnyguy Lieutenant Steve C_U_L8R Jul 2020 #4
Fund this? With a shortage of ICU beds? mpcamb Jul 2020 #5
money The Jungle 1 Jul 2020 #29
A statue to Billy graham, Reagan, and Scalia.... Docreed2003 Jul 2020 #6
If it's for American heroes, those CSA guys shouldn't be included. sinkingfeeling Jul 2020 #7
He'll probably blow up the Crazy Horse monument and put it there soothsayer Jul 2020 #8
Another waste of paper paleotn Jul 2020 #9
Includes Rush Limbaugh, Reagan, Scalia, Billy Graham, Henry Clay, Columbus, Laffer, Meese, Rumsfeld Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #10
Wouldn't it be easier just to open up a "National Wax Museum"? n/t forgotmylogin Jul 2020 #32
In this the reign of llashram Jul 2020 #11
I question if anything becomes of this, smells more like djt farting in the wind to rile up his base KS Toronado Jul 2020 #12
It will never happen, but it's the Trump National Hate Memorial. Lonestarblue Jul 2020 #13
And a statue of Donald fondling Ivanka placed at the entrance. keithbvadu2 Jul 2020 #14
No! A statue of Putin butt...... machoneman Jul 2020 #21
I've visited the sculpture garden ("Memento Park") outside of Budapest... MrModerate Jul 2020 #15
More like a National Graveyard of Statues. chowder66 Jul 2020 #17
Excellent! BlueIdaho Jul 2020 #18
Not a bad idea, actually SpankMe Jul 2020 #19
I kinda agree. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #23
Substantive effect on America's history? lonely bird Jul 2020 #20
Trump's Garden will be guarded by a permanent protection force of heavily armed soldiers dalton99a Jul 2020 #22
Will not shed a tear for anyone protecting it that is injured. LiberalFighter Jul 2020 #36
For those who didn't read the whole thing, some of the people to be included Maeve Jul 2020 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jul 2020 #25
By definition, no member of the Confederate Army is an "American Hero." They fought against Nitram Jul 2020 #26
You expect a guy with hair like that to know something about art??? bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #27
Forts The Jungle 1 Jul 2020 #28
Quick question: Have you ever been on an Army base? jmowreader Jul 2020 #33
money The Jungle 1 Jul 2020 #37
This "billionaire" is free to put up a "Hall of Racists" in the lobby of Trump Tower. Midnight Writer Jul 2020 #30
Yes, this really is 'there are great people on both sides', isn't it? bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #35
Put all the statues he loves so much that everyone hates... greatauntoftriplets Jul 2020 #31
Transparent attempt to grab some lustre for himself and who wants Trump filtering history? bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #34
I'm envisioning a junk yard Marthe48 Jul 2020 #38
This leaves confederate garbage on US soil. The point is to remove and destroy. nt Progressive Jones Jul 2020 #39
"Sinatra Hated trump".. Nancy Jr said so. Cha Jul 2020 #40
Historians question Trump's choice of 'heroes' for national garden monument mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2020 #41
Target rich environment. Warren_Pointe Jul 2020 #42
Little garden of horrors. truthisfreedom Jul 2020 #43

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
16. Even if there is, if he can create it with an executive order, Biden can destroy it with one
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 11:16 AM
Jul 2020

Confederate generals heroes? smdh

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,239 posts)
3. This man is obsessed with statues. Nobody cares about American/Confederate statutes more than Trump.
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 06:52 AM
Jul 2020
This man is *obsessed* with statues. Nobody cares about American/Confederate statutes more than Donald J Trump


C_U_L8R

(44,972 posts)
4. Clearly, this was written up by funnyguy Lieutenant Steve
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 07:08 AM
Jul 2020

Lt. Steven Hauk : Furthermore, you are to stick to playing normal modes of music, not weird stuff. Those who we'd find acceptable here would include Lawrence Welk, Jim Nabors, Mantovani...

Adrian Cronauer : ...Percy Faith...

Lt. Steven Hauk : Percy Faith... good!... Andy Williams, Perry Como, and certain ballads by Mr. Frank Sinatra.

Adrian Cronauer : Would Bob Dylan be outta line?

Lt. Steven Hauk : Way, way outta line!

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,930 posts)
10. Includes Rush Limbaugh, Reagan, Scalia, Billy Graham, Henry Clay, Columbus, Laffer, Meese, Rumsfeld
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 08:48 AM
Jul 2020

Henry Clay the slave owner

(i) The National Garden should be composed of statues, including statues of John Adams, Susan B. Anthony, Clara Barton, Daniel Boone, Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, Henry Clay, Davy Crockett, Frederick Douglass, Amelia Earhart, Benjamin Franklin, Billy Graham, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, Martin Luther King, Jr., Abraham Lincoln, Douglas MacArthur, Dolley Madison, James Madison, Christa McAuliffe, Audie Murphy, George S. Patton, Jr., Ronald Reagan, Jackie Robinson, Betsy Ross, Antonin Scalia, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Harriet Tubman, Booker T. Washington, George Washington, and Orville and Wilbur Wright.


Rush Limbaugh, Arthur Laffer (trickle down), Miriam Adelson (wife of Sheldon Adelson, both prominent tRump donors), and Edwin Meese were awarded the Presidential Medal by tRump:

(iii) Statues should depict historically significant Americans, as that term is defined in section 7 of this order, who have contributed positively to America throughout our history. Examples include: the Founding Fathers, those who fought for the abolition of slavery or participated in the underground railroad, heroes of the United States Armed Forces, recipients of the Congressional Medal of Honor or Presidential Medal of Freedom, scientists and inventors, entrepreneurs, civil rights leaders, missionaries and religious leaders, pioneers and explorers, police officers and firefighters killed or injured in the line of duty, labor leaders, advocates for the poor and disadvantaged, opponents of national socialism or international socialism, former Presidents of the United States and other elected officials, judges and justices, astronauts, authors, intellectuals, artists, and teachers. None will have lived perfect lives, but all will be worth honoring, remembering, and studying.


Caspar Weinberger, Donald Rumsfeld, and Sam Walton got the Medal too.

Christopher Columbus, Junipero Serra, and the Marquis de La Fayette,


llashram

(6,265 posts)
11. In this the reign of
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 09:01 AM
Jul 2020

king donald, queen ivanka, consort melania and counsellor jared 2020, I have just this to say, what does the 4th of July mean to George Floyd, Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Sandra Bland, 11 year old Tamir Rice, Rayshard Brooks, Sandra Bland, Breonna Taylor, Trayvon Martin, Dontre Hamilton, John Crawford III, Ezell Ford, Dante Parker, Tanisha Anderson, Akai Gurley, Rumain Brisbon, Jerema Reid, Tony Robinson, Phillip White, Eric Harris, Walter Scott, Freddie Gray, Philando Castile. Nothing. All are dead killed by white police officers except in the case of one Sylville K. Smith killed by a black police officer but did spark riots. This case just reminds me of S. African black police responding to unrest in the so-called black homelands". Just as vicious as white, even more so in trying to please their white masters.

I'd say all Americans and all racist countries on this planet have to try harder yet that's been tried already. As soon as this latest furore dies down, it will be business as usual with the white racists and all their conies, POC and white.

machoneman

(3,994 posts)
21. No! A statue of Putin butt......
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 12:34 PM
Jul 2020

.....a bent-over you know who! Would have liked to add to the above but don't want DU to sanction my post.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
15. I've visited the sculpture garden ("Memento Park") outside of Budapest...
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 10:59 AM
Jul 2020

Where they collected Communist-themed statues from all over Hungary rather than destroy them altogether when Communism fell. It is a fascinating look into a chapter of history and has much cultural value.

That value is enhanced, of course, by the context. "These are the things we have rejected as untrue."

Such a sculpture garden would provide suitable disposition of some of the monuments to traitors that still blight public spaces all over the Old Confederacy.

However, I don't think that's what Trump has in mind.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
18. Excellent!
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 12:00 PM
Jul 2020

It will be so much easier to cart them off to be melted down after they are collected into one place.

SpankMe

(2,953 posts)
19. Not a bad idea, actually
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 12:21 PM
Jul 2020

I nominate Rosa Parks, Jackie Robinson, Eleanor Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln and Susan B. Anthony for starters.

 

HotTeaBag

(1,206 posts)
23. I kinda agree.
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 12:50 PM
Jul 2020

It would be nice to see statues of actual American Heroes altogether on one pretty place that one could visit.

The only problem is that right now it seems that there is so much scrutiny and purity testing going on that many who would otherwise be worthy wouldn't make the cut.

Another problem is that since it's a Trump idea, the final cut will include awful people and exclude quite a few great choices.

Like, Dave Matthews.

lonely bird

(1,674 posts)
20. Substantive effect on America's history?
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 12:27 PM
Jul 2020

WTF? Is Donnie the Dimwit going to try to backdoor traitor statues?

You bet your ass he will.

Btw, looking at the language there is no way in hell he wrote that order.

dalton99a

(81,371 posts)
22. Trump's Garden will be guarded by a permanent protection force of heavily armed soldiers
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 12:38 PM
Jul 2020

and a beautiful wall


Maeve

(42,269 posts)
24. For those who didn't read the whole thing, some of the people to be included
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 12:56 PM
Jul 2020
(i) The National Garden should be composed of statues, including statues of John Adams, Susan B. Anthony, Clara Barton, Daniel Boone, Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, Henry Clay, Davy Crockett, Frederick Douglass, Amelia Earhart, Benjamin Franklin, Billy Graham, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, Martin Luther King, Jr., Abraham Lincoln, Douglas MacArthur, Dolley Madison, James Madison, Christa McAuliffe, Audie Murphy, George S. Patton, Jr., Ronald Reagan, Jackie Robinson, Betsy Ross, Antonin Scalia, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Harriet Tubman, Booker T. Washington, George Washington, and Orville and Wilbur Wright.

Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Nitram

(22,755 posts)
26. By definition, no member of the Confederate Army is an "American Hero." They fought against
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 01:38 PM
Jul 2020

the American Army. To defend their power to enslave other human beings.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
28. Forts
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 02:09 PM
Jul 2020

If the south does not want to change the name of forts that are named after treasonous southern military men then leave the name alone.
Just close the fort and move it up north. Then the south can build a statue in honor of the former fort. They like statues.

jmowreader

(50,520 posts)
33. Quick question: Have you ever been on an Army base?
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 03:56 PM
Jul 2020

The part of Fort Bragg, N.C., where the soldiers live (soldiers call it "garrison&quot is 19 square miles. By comparison, the borough of Manhattan is 23 square miles. These things aren't Frontier West military outposts, they're cities.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
37. money
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 10:41 PM
Jul 2020

Yes i do understand. I also understand they are huge economic booms for the community. If the community and state wants to celebrate treason then move the base.
As an American I find the celebration of treason very offensive. The south lost give them a tissue and let's move on already.
In my opinion Lincoln's mistake and the cause of our current debate was that he did not hang Lee. It was treason and there is no middle ground here.

Midnight Writer

(21,674 posts)
30. This "billionaire" is free to put up a "Hall of Racists" in the lobby of Trump Tower.
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 02:39 PM
Jul 2020

If he feels so strongly about this.

But he won't.

bucolic_frolic

(42,990 posts)
35. Yes, this really is 'there are great people on both sides', isn't it?
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 04:29 PM
Jul 2020

Don't fall for another of Trump's Marketing Hoaxes.

This is as good as Trump University, Steaks, Vodka, etc, etc, etc.

bucolic_frolic

(42,990 posts)
34. Transparent attempt to grab some lustre for himself and who wants Trump filtering history?
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 04:27 PM
Jul 2020

I mean has he ever read history? Frederick Douglass, remember?

Marthe48

(16,873 posts)
38. I'm envisioning a junk yard
Sat Jul 4, 2020, 11:23 PM
Jul 2020

unwanted hulks pulled down and no doubt damaged by freedom-loving protesters and dragged to a scraggly field where they will sit out of the public eye, rusting into the ground, and sought only by historians who want to close the books on what happened to Jim-bob

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,239 posts)
41. Historians question Trump's choice of 'heroes' for national garden monument
Sun Jul 5, 2020, 06:24 AM
Jul 2020
Historians question Trump’s choice of ‘heroes’ for national garden monument
Among the statues to be erected in the garden — spelled out in an executive order — are evangelical leader Billy Graham, frontiersman Davy Crockett, first lady Dolley Madison and Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia.
By William Wan

The Executive Order said "should," not "shall."

(i) The National Garden should be composed of statues, including statues of John Adams, Susan B. Anthony, Clara Barton, Daniel Boone, Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, Henry Clay, Davy Crockett, Frederick Douglass, Amelia Earhart, Benjamin Franklin, Billy Graham, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, Martin Luther King, Jr., Abraham Lincoln, Douglas MacArthur, Dolley Madison, James Madison, Christa McAuliffe, Audie Murphy, George S. Patton, Jr., Ronald Reagan, Jackie Robinson, Betsy Ross, Antonin Scalia, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Harriet Tubman, Booker T. Washington, George Washington, and Orville and Wilbur Wright.
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