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peppertree

(21,856 posts)
Sat Sep 9, 2023, 06:14 PM Sep 2023

Biden, Modi, other leaders launch the Global Biofuels Alliance in clean energy effort

Source: The Hill

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced a new biofuels initiative at the G-20 summit in New Delhi, India on Saturday, signaling a push for more green energy globally.

India will lead the Global Biofuels Alliance alongside the U.S. and Brazil, a move which is aimed to accelerate the shift to net zero emission targets by promoting plant and animal waste biofuels.

“The Alliance is focused on securing the supply of biofuels, ensuring these biofuels remain affordable and are produced sustainably,” the White House said in a statement.

Argentina, Italy, Mauritius, and the UAE also joined as members of the group, with Bangladesh and Singapore as observers.

“President Biden has made turning the tide towards a clean energy transition one of his Administration’s top priorities,” the White House said.

Read more: https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4195694-biden-modi-other-leaders-launch-the-global-biofuels-alliance-in-clean-energy-effort/





President Joe Biden joins Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and other heads of state in the launching of the Global Biofuels Alliance, during today's G-20 summit in New Delhi.

The nine founding nations total over 2.2 billion people, a third of the world's GDP, and two-thirds of biofuels output.
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Biden, Modi, other leaders launch the Global Biofuels Alliance in clean energy effort (Original Post) peppertree Sep 2023 OP
... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #1
It's true. He campaigned on it way over 3 years ago now Hortensis Sep 2023 #3
We all know... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #4
There's only so much that can be done with manchin and sinema in the way. PSPS Sep 2023 #6
This. Everyone knows that when voters Hortensis Sep 2023 #8
Nope... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #9
Yes, if there were not literally thousands of other things on their plate. summer_in_TX Sep 2023 #10
Maybe... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #11
Progress must begin with participation from the bottom up. Politicians cannot and will not fix "it". Magoo48 Sep 2023 #12
Until the big "lights out" party begins... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #13
I also don't condone sitting back and not doing all I can personally do. Magoo48 Sep 2023 #14
I agree! Think. Again. Sep 2023 #16
I totally agree with the urgency. summer_in_TX Sep 2023 #19
If the republicans regain power... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #20
Yeah ... India, 20% by 2025. Igel Sep 2023 #2
Biofuels are a dead end and just a petro-crutch. Voltaire2 Sep 2023 #5
Yup. Magoo48 Sep 2023 #15
Biofuels emit the same carbon as any other hydrocarbon. And why make fuel out of food? PSPS Sep 2023 #7
I believe the idea... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #17
"Biofuels emit the same carbon as any other hydrocarbon" EX500rider Sep 2023 #18
Great news!!!! flamingdem Sep 2023 #21

Think. Again.

(9,295 posts)
1. ...
Sat Sep 9, 2023, 06:24 PM
Sep 2023

“President Biden has made turning the tide towards a clean energy transition one of his Administration’s top priorities,” the White House said.

(please be true, please be true, please be true...)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. It's true. He campaigned on it way over 3 years ago now
Sat Sep 9, 2023, 07:01 PM
Sep 2023

and significant steps in the transition are built one way or another into all the big bills he's signed since.

Think. Again.

(9,295 posts)
4. We all know...
Sat Sep 9, 2023, 07:15 PM
Sep 2023

...there is SOOO much more that the administration could be doing.

Yes, the 2 bills that deal with climate change were great!

But they're just the start of what's needed and just a touch of all that he can be doing.

Hopefully, this recent announcement means he will finally be prioritizing his efforts to keep those 3 year old campaign promises!

(please be true, please be true, please be true...)

PSPS

(13,665 posts)
6. There's only so much that can be done with manchin and sinema in the way.
Sat Sep 9, 2023, 08:47 PM
Sep 2023

Plus the minority-rule senate is a big problem.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. This. Everyone knows that when voters
Sat Sep 9, 2023, 09:16 PM
Sep 2023

in 2024 give us majorities in the house and senate, and of course, reelect Biden, then there’s a great deal more will be able to do. The stronger the majority’s the more.

Think. Again.

(9,295 posts)
9. Nope...
Sat Sep 9, 2023, 09:19 PM
Sep 2023

...there is an endless amount of work that can be done by a motivated administration that does NOT need any approval, votes, or agreement with any other branch of the government.

A simple, but robust, public awarenes and engagement campaign, along the lines of the WW2 War effort, the 'Race to the Moon' public education effort, even the anti-drug use "just say no" campaign (pathetic as it was) ar all examples of one small effort the administration could, and should be doing.

And that's just one idea. How about publicly directing every agency and department under the Executive to begin a measured scale down of all of their individual carbon footprints?

There is a LOT the administration can be doing. Using the "but our hands are tied!" excuse doesn't cut it when there's so much they could be doing with their voice, their head, their elbows, knees, and feet.

summer_in_TX

(2,790 posts)
10. Yes, if there were not literally thousands of other things on their plate.
Sun Sep 10, 2023, 01:01 AM
Sep 2023

Those and the need to get re-elected by big margins and ensure that Dems regain control of the House and widen their margins in the Senate to help him save the nation from fascism.

Since any actions without the approval of Congress cause him to be accused of acting unconstitutionally, it may be important to his effort to be re-elected to avoid overuse of some of those methods until that is achieved. Plus they can be overturned, so having Congressional approval is preferable.

Think. Again.

(9,295 posts)
11. Maybe...
Sun Sep 10, 2023, 04:31 AM
Sep 2023

...the urgency of the CO2 situation, and the huge amount of damage more atmospheric CO2 will cause, hasn't yet sunk in to everyone's minds.

We have to take action now, and deal with the much less important consequences of those actions once this "existential threat" (Joe's own words) is past.

Magoo48

(4,742 posts)
12. Progress must begin with participation from the bottom up. Politicians cannot and will not fix "it".
Sun Sep 10, 2023, 08:34 AM
Sep 2023

First world citizens will not be inconvenienced. Deep inside we all know the individual sacrifices needed to even partially avert climate catastrophe. The will to do what’s required is not there.

Now is the time to incorporate adaptive engineering into all curriculums from K— northward…
That won’t happen either. Humanity to next generations, “OK, you’re royally fucked, we did it, you fix it, deal with it. Good luck.”

Think. Again.

(9,295 posts)
13. Until the big "lights out" party begins...
Sun Sep 10, 2023, 09:05 AM
Sep 2023

...I'm going to be pushing for anyone and everyone to do anything and everything they can to reduce and eliminate CO2 emissions.

I understand you're not interested in that and have already surrendered, and I can certainly understand why you feel that way, it sure does look like we're past the point of no return.

But I just don't feel comfortable knowing that children are still being born while I willingly and knowingly sit back, not trying to mitigate some of the harms we are causing them.

Magoo48

(4,742 posts)
14. I also don't condone sitting back and not doing all I can personally do.
Sun Sep 10, 2023, 10:21 AM
Sep 2023

I’ve worked for many years in marine environmental cleanup as the problem continues to grow. There are remarkable efforts happening across the environmental spectrum. I do the work as a spiritual exercise. I do other bits as I can.

The problem is, we need about 3 billion Gretas.

Think. Again.

(9,295 posts)
16. I agree!
Sun Sep 10, 2023, 10:34 AM
Sep 2023

Everyone's effort matters, no matter how small, big, easy, difficult, or even successful.

It's the willingness and intent to take action when action is needed that matters.

Unfortunately, too many people try to dodge the responsibility for taking action by pretending the intent doesn't matter, that it's only solid success that matters.

How could we possibly achieve success without the intent to try in the first place?

From one Greta to another, know that I am Deeply Grateful for your efforts!

summer_in_TX

(2,790 posts)
19. I totally agree with the urgency.
Sun Sep 10, 2023, 10:53 PM
Sep 2023

Yet I worry that our forward momentum will crash to a halt if the Republicans regain power. Their denial is deep.

The election matters tremendously, for our planet and for our democracy. Individually we can only do so much. United we can have a huge impact.

Igel

(35,425 posts)
2. Yeah ... India, 20% by 2025.
Sat Sep 9, 2023, 06:49 PM
Sep 2023

It's going to take a lot of $. (No, that shouldn't be read "lot of money.&quot

Not all will find its target, some will land in other pockets (or the targets will be well pocketed and padded). And much of the $ "invested" will head to targets that result from "this will work, I've done the math" thinking by somebody who avoided calculus and even pre-cal and majored in psych or ethnic studies or poli sci to become a lawyer or politician, based on their deep knowledge of biofuel technology. (They read a Corn Flakes box and listened to college friends from psych or ethnic studies or poli sci that now work for advocacy groups, but PhDs know it all, right?)

Note that ethanol is a biofuel. I'm sure India will devote millions of hectares to devoting crops to producing ethanol, even as they ban the export of basmati rice and atta flour because of the need to feed their own population. I mean, so much extra farm land!

Or they look forward to the tech and the $.

I like some projects. Biodiesel is great, if you have access to the fats. (But hey, Impossible Meat scraps doesn't render well.) It was gross, but dumping the grill's grease trap and spent oil from frying chicken into the grease barrel was a good thing--at the time it went to a place that either produced soap or found other uses for it, not just soaking the landfill with fat. (The restaurant was paid for the poundage.) I even took the fat from the roast beef broth and chucked it in there.

I'm looking forward to when they manage to get some microscopic organism properly geared up to photosynthesize a fuel, and not just a palm oil surrogate--sadly, I suspect that must fail in most cases because most of our fuels are toxic. Then again, methane (say, from decomposing pig shit) isn't a bad thing, it just at current prices has trouble being cost-effective. (And if you want to triple the price of natural gas to be green, please accept the responsibility at the polls for what would normally be billed as "inflation".)

We'll see if they successfully reach the targets even if they successfully reach for the funding.

PSPS

(13,665 posts)
7. Biofuels emit the same carbon as any other hydrocarbon. And why make fuel out of food?
Sat Sep 9, 2023, 08:53 PM
Sep 2023

I guess anything is worthwhile if, for no other reason, it moves the needle on the intransigence meter.

Think. Again.

(9,295 posts)
17. I believe the idea...
Sun Sep 10, 2023, 10:40 AM
Sep 2023

...is to do all that we can to maintain some level of society while we diminish our reliance on fossil fuels.

If we can keep the lights on AND stop burning fossil fuels to literally kill the fossil fuel industry, we can then continue our work toward reducing CO2 emissions without an extremely wealthy and strongly politically connected industry fighting us every step of the way.

EX500rider

(10,903 posts)
18. "Biofuels emit the same carbon as any other hydrocarbon"
Sun Sep 10, 2023, 10:56 AM
Sep 2023

Some evidence that is not exactly true:



On average, GHG emissions from corn ethanol are 34% lower than gasoline when including Land Use Change (LUC) emissions and 44% lower when excluding them.

GHG emissions for cellulosic ethanol average around 97% lower than gasoline when including LUC emissions and 93% lower when excluding LUC emissions.

The use of B20 (20% biodiesel, 80% petroleum diesel), a common biodiesel blend in the U.S., can reduce CO2 emissions by 15% compared to petroleum diesel. The use of B100 (100% biodiesel) can reduce CO2 emissions by 74%.



https://css.umich.edu/publications/factsheets/energy/biofuels-factsheet

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