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peppertree

(21,867 posts)
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 04:46 PM Oct 2023

Kevin McCarthy removed as House speaker in historic vote

Source: CBS News

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy was ousted from his leadership position in a historic vote on Tuesday after a far-right revolt over his reliance on Democrats to pass funding to avert a government shutdown earlier this month.

It's the first time a House speaker has been removed in a no-confidence vote.

Now someone from a secret backup list McCarthy created in January will likely serve as a temporary speaker overseeing a new election. It's not clear how extensive the power of any temporary speaker would be, but Republicans would likely push for that person to have more power than Democrats would want.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-vote-matt-gaetz-kevin-mccarthy-motion-to-vacate-watch-live-stream-today-2023-10-03/





Outgoing House Speaker Kevin McCarthy.

McCarthy was ousted just hours after Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) filed a resolution to vacate the Speakership - with the House voting to agree to the resolution by 216 to 210.

Nearly all Democrats voted with Gaetz and his allies to do so.

McCarthy, 58, thus becomes the shortest-serving Speaker in 147 years - since Rep. Michael Kerr (D-IN), who died in office after eight months in 1876.
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Kevin McCarthy removed as House speaker in historic vote (Original Post) peppertree Oct 2023 OP
Well, bye Aviation Pro Oct 2023 #1
My favorite movie line! japple Oct 2023 #39
Why Ike, whatever do you mean? Maybe pokah is just not yoah game. PatrickforB Oct 2023 #80
fuck that worm gopiscrap Oct 2023 #2
Looks a bit deflated - forgot to tuck his belly back into his six-pack wrapper. erronis Oct 2023 #3
So he couldn't do what the Freedom Caucus wanted so he's out. bucolic_frolic Oct 2023 #4
Some of the Freedom Caucus tried to save Kev when they saw the D's voting to remove him. sinkingfeeling Oct 2023 #9
Was that a sob I heard dweller Oct 2023 #5
But Delphinus Oct 2023 #7
She voted dweller Oct 2023 #8
Shouldn't have tried to force Ds to vote for stupid border security in order to fund Ukraine. sinkingfeeling Oct 2023 #6
Imagine if they nominate Trump. GreenWave Oct 2023 #10
I would love to see someone ask drumpf what the Speaker of the House does JoseBalow Oct 2023 #69
I get grossed out whenever I see his hands. ICK!!! calimary Oct 2023 #79
North Carolina's Patrick McHenry takes over as temporary House speaker muriel_volestrangler Oct 2023 #11
A thread in itself! peppertree Oct 2023 #18
He nearly broke that gavel when it was time to adjourn! Drum Oct 2023 #24
Nasty little toad that he is peppertree Oct 2023 #29
Agreed...he's a little viper. Drum Oct 2023 #32
Got to be kidding me he is a piece of shit worse than McCarthy JanMichael Oct 2023 #34
Ugh. He's my congresscritter. It used to be Virginia Foxx. ms liberty Oct 2023 #37
John Boehner should offer McCarthy a toke and a smile. Solly Mack Oct 2023 #12
Maybe a couple of fingers of Jack Daniels. leftieNanner Oct 2023 #22
I'm sure McCarthy will be self-soothing in some way soon. Solly Mack Oct 2023 #25
He was so damned cocky moving his stuff into the Speaker's Office leftieNanner Oct 2023 #28
Funny bdamomma Oct 2023 #63
I feel like it's not over for Kev. maxsolomon Oct 2023 #13
I'm gonna bet on Elise Stefanek taking the gavel leftieNanner Oct 2023 #30
If the govt shutdown prompted this BigmanPigman Oct 2023 #14
Their House smells like shit. DJ Porkchop Oct 2023 #15
so the maggot refuKKKchickens are revolting? not news, please hold my brewsk...🤣👍🎉 bringthePaine Oct 2023 #16
(Yawn!) Pass the popcorn. DinahMoeHum Oct 2023 #17
Will FOX hire him? twodogsbarking Oct 2023 #44
I know! I wonder what the motives are? What's the plan Dems? liberalla Oct 2023 #68
Terrified ... that they will replace him with someone even worse. live love laugh Oct 2023 #19
Agree...there are a lot worse choices! PortTack Oct 2023 #53
Perfectly exact. The Grand Illuminist Oct 2023 #72
What a shitshow. iluvtennis Oct 2023 #20
There's nobody leading that ridiculous party of clowns FakeNoose Oct 2023 #21
I for one wouldn't be to giddy........What if MAGA republicans try to put Trump as the new speaker? W T F Oct 2023 #23
Trump would never take it. SergeStorms Oct 2023 #31
He's also too much of an egotist for that. D23MIURG23 Oct 2023 #91
Pretty sure only elected members of the House can serve as Speaker. TheRickles Oct 2023 #35
Nope. It's never happened but, non members can be Speaker. progressoid Oct 2023 #49
Never knew that. Thanks. TheRickles Oct 2023 #51
Don't say I didn't warn you W T F Oct 2023 #88
Ha! Gaetz tried this last January too. progressoid Oct 2023 #89
Seeya', you spineless worm. SergeStorms Oct 2023 #26
This is Gaetz getting McCarthy before McCarthy could get him Warpy Oct 2023 #27
So the criminally guilty stay free because their pals won't remove them, despite their guilt. hadEnuf Oct 2023 #57
You got it. Warpy Oct 2023 #61
I think you are correct. hadEnuf Oct 2023 #65
Today has been a real race to the bottom Marthe48 Oct 2023 #33
I've seen DU posts comparing the rwnj playbook to Marthe48 Oct 2023 #36
Has FOX news blamed the democrat party (sic) and Biden yet? JCMach1 Oct 2023 #38
Aren't we more likely to get an even bigger jerk now? We could be going from bad to worse? 2live is 2fly Oct 2023 #40
🚨🚨BREAKING: Kevin McCarthy was just REMOVED as Speaker of the House, becoming the first Speaker riversedge Oct 2023 #41
He can add "made history" to his resume. progressoid Oct 2023 #50
#KevinMcCarthy now will have to move his Office. riversedge Oct 2023 #42
Stay tuned. Keep the popcorn handy. twodogsbarking Oct 2023 #43
Hoist with his own petard mcar Oct 2023 #45
If Olbermann didn't beat me to this: ArizonaLib Oct 2023 #46
so if all the Dems voted with Gaetz mountain grammy Oct 2023 #47
Good point. peppertree Oct 2023 #56
By design The Grand Illuminist Oct 2023 #73
How many times will they have to vote this time around? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2023 #48
At least he didn't die - he's doing one better than Michael Kerr who served in 1876. Probatim Oct 2023 #52
How appropriate. We'd have 1876-like health conditions, if today's Republicans could have their way peppertree Oct 2023 #55
It sounds like the temporary speaker is the one to drive us off that cliff. Probatim Oct 2023 #85
It's all good. McAngry can rant, rave, and break gavels all he wants. peppertree Oct 2023 #86
Seems like he's got some history - from what I'm reading tonight. Probatim Oct 2023 #87
Git them ALL outta there!!!!! Montauk6 Oct 2023 #54
Serious Question Owens Oct 2023 #58
Is he likely to re-apply for the job? Does he qualify? Could he get it? Oopsie Daisy Oct 2023 #59
Ousted for keeping the government from shutting down. LudwigPastorius Oct 2023 #60
The Republican party is so completely dysfunctional that they embrace seppuku. cstanleytech Oct 2023 #62
Dogfuck that stupid motherfucker McCarthy. He is a filthy fucking liar and a shitheel. SoFlaBro Oct 2023 #64
Oh no! AnrothElf Oct 2023 #66
So they removed him, do they have a plan on what to do next???? TNNurse Oct 2023 #67
There is a "Speaker Pro-tem" in BumRushDaShow Oct 2023 #70
Hakeem Jeffries basically said Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #71
Why... Snackshack Oct 2023 #74
I have my doubts about whether it was a good idea. D23MIURG23 Oct 2023 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author quakerboy Oct 2023 #75
No speaker means what, in a practical sense? quakerboy Oct 2023 #76
I've been a DU member for a minute and I can say I've finally seen the death of the (R) party. SunDrop23 Oct 2023 #77
The Republican Party: The Flurry with the Fringe on the Top n/t Vogon_Glory Oct 2023 #78
Roll call vote BumRushDaShow Oct 2023 #81
I'm surprised that so many Democrats voted to remove him Polybius Oct 2023 #82
MAGA GOPers perform a late term abortion on McCarthy's 9 month Speakership. SunSeeker Oct 2023 #83
Don't let the door hit ya on the way out! Initech Oct 2023 #84

PatrickforB

(14,621 posts)
80. Why Ike, whatever do you mean? Maybe pokah is just not yoah game.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 07:28 PM
Oct 2023

Aay know! Let's have a spellin' contest!

erronis

(15,635 posts)
3. Looks a bit deflated - forgot to tuck his belly back into his six-pack wrapper.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 04:48 PM
Oct 2023

Not that mine would fit into a 12-pack.

bucolic_frolic

(43,720 posts)
4. So he couldn't do what the Freedom Caucus wanted so he's out.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 04:50 PM
Oct 2023

Gaetz has driven the bus as far as it will go. Now on to the next Speaker. This should take about .....45 days? Until the money runs out?

JoseBalow

(2,817 posts)
69. I would love to see someone ask drumpf what the Speaker of the House does
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 06:11 PM
Oct 2023

That dipshit doesn't have a clue



muriel_volestrangler

(101,486 posts)
11. North Carolina's Patrick McHenry takes over as temporary House speaker
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 04:55 PM
Oct 2023
North Carolina Republican Patrick McHenry has taken over as House speaker pro tempore following Kevin McCarthy’s removal from the leadership role in Congress’s lower chamber moments ago.

Per House rules, McCarthy submitted to the chamber’s clerk a list of lawmakers who would take over if his seat becomes vacant, of which McHenry was apparently first.

McHenry is the chair of the financial services committee, and voted against removing McCarthy. After picking up the gavel, he recessed the House.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/oct/03/mccarthy-speaker-republicans-trump-trial-biden-live-updates?page=with:block-651c7e098f0880e74add4856#block-651c7e098f0880e74add4856

peppertree

(21,867 posts)
29. Nasty little toad that he is
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:08 PM
Oct 2023

I hope they keep him until the next election. That runt and his bow-tie are a walking punch line.

leftieNanner

(15,223 posts)
28. He was so damned cocky moving his stuff into the Speaker's Office
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:08 PM
Oct 2023

Before he was elected.

Better bring back those moving boxes, Kev.

Live by the stupid, die by the stupid.

maxsolomon

(33,516 posts)
13. I feel like it's not over for Kev.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 04:57 PM
Oct 2023

GQP doesn't have a lot of other options that would get a majority of votes.

leftieNanner

(15,223 posts)
30. I'm gonna bet on Elise Stefanek taking the gavel
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:09 PM
Oct 2023

She pretends to be both a moderate/sensible Republican and a complete fringe lunatic at the same time.

DinahMoeHum

(21,869 posts)
17. (Yawn!) Pass the popcorn.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:00 PM
Oct 2023

And you can bet that the Democrats have ulterior motives for voting along with Matt Gaetz.

House Speaker Hakeem Jeffries, anyone? Well, I can dream can't I?

FakeNoose

(33,081 posts)
21. There's nobody leading that ridiculous party of clowns
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:02 PM
Oct 2023

Things won't be any different next week or next month.



SergeStorms

(19,208 posts)
31. Trump would never take it.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:09 PM
Oct 2023

He'd actually have to work for the first time in his life. It would certainly interfere with his golf game, and he wouldn't take that.

D23MIURG23

(2,857 posts)
91. He's also too much of an egotist for that.
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 01:17 PM
Oct 2023

He thinks he's the "president for life" so he won't settle for anything less than that.

TheRickles

(2,129 posts)
35. Pretty sure only elected members of the House can serve as Speaker.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:13 PM
Oct 2023

Though there's probably a loophole somewhere in there. Any Poli Sci/Con Law majors out there?

progressoid

(50,062 posts)
49. Nope. It's never happened but, non members can be Speaker.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:29 PM
Oct 2023

As the Constitution does not explicitly state that the speaker must be an incumbent member of the House, it is arguably possible for a non-member to be elected. In the past, representatives have voted for someone who was not then a member of the House. Every person elected speaker, however, has been a member. The issue of whether non-members are eligible to be speaker has been discussed for hundreds of years. In 1787, while the proposed Constitution was being considered, Tench Coxe publicly wrote the following:

The house of representatives is not, as the Senate, to have a president chosen for them from without their body, but are to elect their speaker from their own number....

In modern times, the Congressional Research Service and others have argued that a non-member is constitutionally eligible to become speaker. That view is predominant but not unanimous, and scholars having a different position include political scientist Diana Schaub, who argues by implication that, "A non-member Speaker would be the only office-holder in our system not bound by [the constitutionally-required] oath."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives#Eligibility_of_non-members

SergeStorms

(19,208 posts)
26. Seeya', you spineless worm.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:06 PM
Oct 2023

He gave everything up to become Speaker, and it all came back to bite him in the ass.

Couldn't happen to more deserving asshat. 👏

Warpy

(111,587 posts)
27. This is Gaetz getting McCarthy before McCarthy could get him
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:07 PM
Oct 2023

because it was announced a few days ago that McCarthy would likely expel Gaetz if a pending ethics probe showed significant violations, and of course any honest report would.

I just wonder which horror will be visited upon this country next.

hadEnuf

(2,248 posts)
57. So the criminally guilty stay free because their pals won't remove them, despite their guilt.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:45 PM
Oct 2023

And this shit sticks?

Welcome to Republican Amerikka.

Warpy

(111,587 posts)
61. You got it.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 06:02 PM
Oct 2023

The Klown Kaucus will want one of their own, someone who refuses to work with Democrats on a single thing.

hadEnuf

(2,248 posts)
65. I think you are correct.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 06:06 PM
Oct 2023

And Democrats need to make them own every inch of what they block and screw up. Every inch.

Marthe48

(17,234 posts)
33. Today has been a real race to the bottom
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:11 PM
Oct 2023

for rwnj

Looks like traitor and kev hit the skids neck and neck. Yay!

Marthe48

(17,234 posts)
36. I've seen DU posts comparing the rwnj playbook to
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:15 PM
Oct 2023

hitler's gaining power in Germany.


At any time, did hitler's machine fall to pieces as he attacked the German Republic in the 1930s? Are the U.S. traitors here in new territory?

Is this going to hamper traitor's desire to hand the U.S. over to putin?

riversedge

(70,688 posts)
41. 🚨🚨BREAKING: Kevin McCarthy was just REMOVED as Speaker of the House, becoming the first Speaker
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:17 PM
Oct 2023


🚨🚨BREAKING:

Kevin McCarthy was just REMOVED as Speaker of the House, becoming the first Speaker in history to be removed by his colleagues.

McCarthy brought it on himself and the country. https://pic.twitter.com/eixfT9dBOe
Replying to @RpsAgainstTrump

peppertree

(21,867 posts)
56. Good point.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:45 PM
Oct 2023

It puts Gaetz in quite a pickle.

Then again, the radicalized GOP/Magat base - to a person - views McCarthy as a "spineless sellout."

Which, of course, he is - just not the way they see it.

Probatim

(2,581 posts)
52. At least he didn't die - he's doing one better than Michael Kerr who served in 1876.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:32 PM
Oct 2023

We really should look on the bright side of things.

peppertree

(21,867 posts)
55. How appropriate. We'd have 1876-like health conditions, if today's Republicans could have their way
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:42 PM
Oct 2023

As you know - they're doing their damnedest to create 1876 plutocracy, child labor and women's rights conditions.

Probatim

(2,581 posts)
85. It sounds like the temporary speaker is the one to drive us off that cliff.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 11:50 PM
Oct 2023

At least ole Kev wasn't kicking Democrats straight in the balls on live TV. McHenry seems like he's ready to take flamethrower to everything.

peppertree

(21,867 posts)
86. It's all good. McAngry can rant, rave, and break gavels all he wants.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 11:58 PM
Oct 2023

The more tantrums that little thing throws (none of which will lead to anything), the better for Democrats.

Probatim

(2,581 posts)
87. Seems like he's got some history - from what I'm reading tonight.
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 12:06 AM
Oct 2023

Maybe Matty G will pull the plug on McHenry too.

LudwigPastorius

(9,369 posts)
60. Ousted for keeping the government from shutting down.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 05:58 PM
Oct 2023

Fucking Republicans always say government doesn’t work, then they get elected and make sure of it.

TNNurse

(6,940 posts)
67. So they removed him, do they have a plan on what to do next????
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 06:07 PM
Oct 2023

And JFC, how did they let Gaetz get his way??? He is as worthless as possible,

Elessar Zappa

(14,190 posts)
71. Hakeem Jeffries basically said
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 06:20 PM
Oct 2023

that Republicans own this mess and that Democrats wouldn’t save him. Apparently he’s burned his bridges with the Democrats over the past ten months. I’m thinking that Jeffries thought this through and probably consulted Pelosi over this whole issue.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
74. Why...
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 06:58 PM
Oct 2023

Did the Dems do this.

"Nearly all Democrats voted with Gaetz and his allies to do so."

Why give them the legitimacy and power previously unobtainable this does...

I know it sounds counter intuitive but there is wisdom when given a choice to stay with the POS Speaker you know instead of jumping off the cliff w/ "gaetz and his allies".

Especially after one of those allies had mentioned this very act in discussion on how to get DT back into a position to act with impact on the system that stole his election from him. That the Speaker of the House does not need to be in government to be Speaker. I would imagine this is not a good a confidence builder in our allies around the globe as well.

I think the Dems have made an ill advised decision here. I hope I am wrong but I do not see a return that warrants this investment.

D23MIURG23

(2,857 posts)
90. I have my doubts about whether it was a good idea.
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 01:12 PM
Oct 2023

To me it's an ominous sign that he got ousted for funding the government. It also seems likely that we'll end up with someone even worse than McCarthy.

The reporting is that McCarthy just expected to be bailed out by Dems without cutting a deal, though, while at the same time trying to blame them for a near shutdown miss. Given that, I think it's understandable that they voted to oust. The fact is he's a dirtbag with very few selling points. I'm flabbergasted that he didn't even try to cut a deal.

Response to peppertree (Original post)

quakerboy

(13,928 posts)
76. No speaker means what, in a practical sense?
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 07:10 PM
Oct 2023

Is it like at the beginning where everything else has to go on hold till that's resolved?

Ie, does it pause the ethics thing and Gaetz potential expulsion?

Also.. I guess that answers whether there was a deal on Ukraine aid and such.

211 democrats, 218 votes needed to elect a speaker. I wonder if there's a powersharing agreement that would bring 10-20 Republicans on board for a bipartisan house majority

SunDrop23

(2,109 posts)
77. I've been a DU member for a minute and I can say I've finally seen the death of the (R) party.
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 07:21 PM
Oct 2023

Good riddance.

Polybius

(15,598 posts)
82. I'm surprised that so many Democrats voted to remove him
Tue Oct 3, 2023, 09:16 PM
Oct 2023

I would have thought voting "present" would be the way they voted, but so few did.

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