Palestinians are dying so he can stay out of jail.

I guess you forgot about those.

But this war has nothing to do with Netanyahu's trial. The trial has been going on for years now. And no matter what happens in the war it will be years before the trial ends.

Imagine if on Oct 8, the UN Security Council voted unanimously to condemn Hamas for war crimes, demanded the return of all hostages, and ordered Qatar to extradite Hamas leadership to the Criminal Court in The Hague.

Imagine, 💭

How many people would be alive in Gaza?

They don't care about Palestinian deaths.

Surely I misunderstood.

Btw, I believe Israel started the bombing on October 7th. I really don't think they gave a hoot about what the UN may or may not have said on October 8th or at any other time. It's kind of like a tradition with them.

And yes, it really IS that simple.
Thats their stated gaol; the TOTAL destruction of Israel & the death of ALL Jews. Period.
Why dont these rich Arab nations come to the aid of the palestinians? They could pledge to go into Gaza & get rid of Hamas; set up a temporary government & then prepare for an actual election where the PEOPLE get to pick their leaders. No "land grab" no civilian deaths.
Unless, of course, Hamas started to fight THEM.
But that'll never happen either; it'll just continue to be "blame Israel"

But Netanyahu must go too

Are the Palestinians still part of that group or just Hamas?
How many countries in the region still state that?
I know Israel was able to make peace with Egypt when they finally dropped that idea.

Israel actually has some sort of peace agreements with several Arab nations, but that doesnt mean they will ever approve of Israel. But they obviously dont care much about the Palestinians either, or they'd step up & HELP them. I believe Israel would agree to it if it was done in some manner similar to what I suggested. Even Africa has a multi-national force to help each other. A coalition of Arab nations helped put Iraq out of Kuwait.
Why cant they help the ones they supposedly claim to be their "brothers"?

Wouldn’t it be more productive, and much safer for everyone in the long run, if instead of hating and killing and indefinitely oppressing Palestinians, Israel invested in a free Palestinian and helped it flourish in the Middle East as an equal, neighbor state.

Has this approach ever really been tried? Or is it simply easier to reject Palestinian’s humanity, treat them as inferior, and continue sucking on the ever-willing US-MIC’s teat.

Hate from grade one on in the school books used in Gaza and the West Bank.

Comprehensive report reveals endemic hate education in Palestinian schools


Palestinian children are being systematically taught to hate Jewish Israelis and violently resist a Jewish presence in Israel, a comprehensive review of Palestinian school textbooks has found.

They found three main strands of indoctrination running though the texts: delegitimization of the State of Israel’s existence, including the denial of Jewish holy sites within Israel; demonization of Israel and the Jews, who are regularly referred to as “the Zionist enemy”; and incitement to violent struggle to reclaim the whole of Israel as Palestine, with no education for peace and co-existence.

One math problem for Grade 11 students read: “One of the settlers [Israelis] shoots at [Palestinian] cars that pass on one of the roads. If the probability of his hitting a car in one shot is 0.7, and the settler shot at 10 cars, what will you expect to be the number of cars that were hit?” The answer given in the teacher’s notes was seven.

“The problem of the PA schools is more fundamental than [that], he told the Post. “The entire infrastructure of the PA schools is geared to promote terror. The PA’s Bethlehem High School for Girls recently built a memorial at the entrance to the school honoring a 17-year-old female suicide bomber, the ‘Martyr Ayyat Al-Akhras.’ Every single day as these girls enter school they are told that the terrorist – who was a high school girl their age and murdered two and wounded 28 – is their role model.”

https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/comprehensive-report-reveals-endemic-hate-education-in-palestinian-schools-632057

We've known about it for decades. You can see these wretched childrens shows for yourself...it's been well known about again for decades.

They're just prepping the kids for "by any means necessary."

Try looking at how the other sides citizens view the Palestinians for the past 70 some odd years…

Its driven in to them as a matter of principal by ALL their schools. They're taught that Israel shouldn't even exist. Several times, Israel has given up territory they conquered in previous wars & what's it gotten them? More attacks. They treated one of Hamas's top leaders in their hospital & what did they get? Oct 7. They were also, stupidly, sending money to them thinking it was helping to keep a cease fire. And they got Oct 7th.
When your stated goal is eliminating Israel, why would ANYONE think "investing" would change a thing?
Other Arab countries HAVE made peace with Israel and they are flourishing fairly peacefully. Why dont they do it? Because they dont WANT to do it. Look at Lebanon; same issue.

Wonder why that hasn't happened.

Don’t forget the additional 8,000 that are missing and presumed to still be under the rubble.

..tell the Palestinians they may have
a land, all their own.

They just have to walk to Oklahoma...also not a genocide..

then Netanyahu will declare victory over Hamas and end the war. Israel wants neighboring Muslim countries like Egypt to take in refugees permanently. But those countries don't want to be a part of displacing the Palestinians from what little land they have left.

👍🏾

so long as none wind up in their country

there are plenty in Egypt too

Isreal has the right to defend itself. It does not have the right to use that as an excuse to murder unalive thousands of people who did not engage in the original assault.

We need to bring every pressure available to us to bring this to an end. Including ending all military and financial support of what is becoming an outlaw country until the carnage stops.

oh wait, no they didn't.

What is the limit of retribution that is acceptable. 10,000 dead? (oh, wait, we are already there). 50,000? 100,000? 1 million?

Or put another way, if they had invaded just as before but only killed one person, would this reaction be justified?

How many dead is enough, in your opinion, before you will start to look at Isreal as maybe taking things too far?

The same can be said for the US after 9/11, btw.

You're welcome to your version too.

According to the IDF.

Let me guess, some will object to the IDF numbers while blindly believing the terrorists numbers.

And how did they arrive at that figure?

Hard to imagine that either side would skew the figures for the sake of their own advantage, I know.

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per Wikipedia's report by the Palestine Central Bureau of Statistics for mid 2023, Palestinians = 5,371,230
Wikipedia reports that as of 2024, Palestinians = 5,494,963

per Worldometer, as of Friday, January 19, 2024, Palestinians = 5,438,932

According to the World Health Org,
in Gaza, Israeli air raids and artillery fire have also killed 18,000 people during this period, including
at least 7,700 children.
Since the start of 2023, at least 483 Palestinians have been killed and more than 12,769 injured by Israeli forces and settlers in the occupied West Bank.

Destabilize the nations with oil or minimize influence in the region. Same neocon nightmare.

I don't have all the records, but hasn't Israel already struck targets in Iran? Not recently but since 2003.
Have you ever seen a map of US military bases in Iraq and Afganistan? The meme I saw said "If Iran doesn't want war with the US, why did they put their country so close to our military bases?".

I didn't realize that we did the same thing to Afganistan that we did to Iran, there was a long article on Consortium News with the history.

The US funds BOTH SIDES.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56665199

Both the Israelis and the Palestinians are locked into a death spiral. The only way to break it is for the Israeli public to get rid of Netanyahu and put in someone who can end the war and actually TALK to the Palestinians.

This is a perfect example of what a Pagan author calls "Tower Time", like in the Tower card in the Tarot. Sudden, destructive change. All of the old institutions that seemed to be working are being exposed as corrupt and destructive.

And getting rid of the Palestinian Authority? Or it is just one side that needs to TALK. Who on the Palestinian side can TALK to Israel?

However, I don't see anyone on the Palestinian side who is willing to talk to the Israelis. They can't even agree to more hostage releases.

And yes, changes need to happen on both sides. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear.

it is sickening

Hopefully the US won't put American boots on the ground, after seeing how that (didn't) work in Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan.

IRAQ, for example

I think that Biden has learned from the mistakes that the US made after 9/11 - especially going into Iraq. That's why he counseled Netanyahu not to do what he was planning.

Everyone in the world now knows what will happen if they kill or try to kill a bunch of Israelis. The Israeli Gaza campaign is a deterrence for future action.

Just like the the 2005 disengagement from Gaza has shown the Israeli's what will happen if they leave the Palestinians to govern themselves. The rise of Hamas in the aftermath of Israel's 2005 evacuation is its own form of deterrence.