There is no life under Putin.

The Pope should stick with the religion if he can’t support the Ukraines who were mercilessly invaded

Pope is very ill, feeble...probably one of his handlers saying this...

the murdering monster who started, and continues, this horror show? HIOW DARE YOU???

Do not put it past players in Rome trying to reposition the future of the Catholic Church.

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... both Ukraine and Russia are predominantly Orthodox, so I doubt anybody there gives a fuck about his opinion.

-- Mal

for putler's rationale for invading the independent, democratic nation of Ukraine. I repeat, frankie, HOW F'N DARE YOU???

Hey Pope, why don't you ask the Ukrainians if they want to negotiate after what Russia did to them? You have had it easy to be quite frank. You never had anybody attack you, you never had do deal with bombing and war crimes. Ukrainians will never accept surrender, and they know better than anyone what Russia is. If they surrender, Ukraine is gone and all they have fought for will be for nothing. If you think Putin will stop in Ukraine, wait till he comes to Rome after all the other countries fall, then what would you do? The Vatican does not have a good track record of being on the right side of history.

of the support that the bishops gave to Hitler in the 1930s and 40s. "Victory goes to the murderers."

What if Brazil, Chile, Paraguay, Bolivia, or Uruguay invaded Argentina, and they used the same ideology and violence that Russia is doing to Ukraine? Do you believe that Argentina would capitulate? I think not. Argentinians are a very proud people, especially in the cities. There is no way they would allow that to happen. To be quite honest, he is in probably one of the most secure places in the world. Ukraine is fighting for its survival, not just territory, but as a people in general. Someone should ask him, if it was his country getting invaded, would he have said the same thing? I seriously doubt it. What if Russia attacked the Vatican, what would he do now? So to me, he is ignorant and hypocritical. Ukraine knows better than anyone what Russia is. In fact, maybe he should ask the Baltic States, Poland, Georgia, Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya (Belarus opposition), Romania and those under the former Soviet Bloc how it felt to be under Russian oppression.

what is he thinking? is he so ill his brain is muddled?

Not to mention the pope is not particularly liked by the conservative cardinals

Yea…the crimes that have been committed and continue to happen to young catholic boys…shameful.

To say nothing of the 200+K kidnapped Ukrainian children- most will never see their parents again..oh sure lay down your weapons and let them continue…just makes me all the more hardened towards any organized religion!

SLAVA UKRAINE!

Wrong on so many levels.

Slava Ukraine!

because the fascist shithead Mussolini gave it to them.

He won't just take a piece of Ukraine. Putin will take it all, and then onto Europe.

My favorite pope ever is disappointing me on this issue, to say the least.

Sorry.

He has no intention of moving the Kremlin to Kyiv. Ever.

Francis has had and acted on some good ideas, but this is not one of them.

Not catholic or even a fan of religion in general, but I support anyone advocating for peace.

Just come out and say it because that's what it would be.

Neville Chamberlain tried the same exact thing with Hitler, how well did that work out?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time

With the number of people advocating for more war. Do you all realize you are using the EXACT arguments used by Republicans against the (mostly Democratic) peace protestors during the Vietnam war?

The irony is dumbfounding.

so you might want to rethink that.

There, now THAT's irony.

If you imagine caving in to Putin would mean less war and bloodshed and misery, I don't know what to tell you. So I guess I'm the one that's dumbfounded.

then maybe you should exit stage left.
As I said above, Neville Chamberlain thought the same as you do, how well did that work out?
If Russia overruns Ukraine, how much longer do you think he'll wait to invade and occupy or annex other European countries?
And what happens when Putin invades a NATO member, would you be against NATO invoking Article 5 which says basically that an attack on any NATO member is an attack on all NATO countries?

Is NATO just supposed to sit there and say, oh well?

Your post is one of the most ridiculous posts I've read today, but the day isn't over yet.

that theory never played out after the peace. Ukraine is not the same.

from a series of colonial regimes, France, Japan, France again, the USA.

The US had 'no colonial ambitions' other than creating a puppet regime to thwart the geneva convention treaty that ended the French colonial regime, blocking the reunification of vietnam. We did this because we had specific and well known imperial goals: for example preventing any new anti-capitalist governments from being established anywhere on the planet, and most importantly anywhere we deemed strategically important, like for example southeast asia.

Putin won't take the win and stop, he'll advance on Moldova and Poland as his maps and leaks have shown. How could you not know this, are you paying attention at all? It appears that you are either very ignorant or venal -neither is any good for you or the world!!

Isn't there some systemic coverup of child sex assault you should be busy covering up..?

tRUMP russia syndrome! CRAZY as hell!!

Okay, Chamberlain!

about WW2 and the photos I saw in class of the Pope graciously hosting Nazi's who were supported by the church taking a "neutral" position......

"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a time of crisis, preserve their neutrality" Dante's Inferno 1320

There is no integrity or honor here.

My highest and best offer to Putin is GTFO! Period.

the entire country? Wrong!

Ukraine will have given up territory. As wrong as the invasion was they are simply not going to win.

He will agree to a plan to acquire Ukraine territory in exchange for peace, and THEN he will instigate border violence which will "necessitate" more invasion moves. It will never stop until Putin is dead. This is what the Pope does not understand. Putin is the face of evil. He will not stop killing and raping.

you just never know what the future holds.

Is wrong. He is repeating the same mistakes the church made during the inquisition and WW II. Will they ever learn?

WC's message applying to Ukraine:
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."


WC's messages applying to pope f:
"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half." ...and...“Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak, it’s also what it takes to sit down and listen.”


My thinking:
Yo pope, stay in your lane.
After the 2nd Punic War, Carthage survived and remained vital and prosperous despite its surrender. After the 3rd Punic War, Carthage was rubble. Personally, I view the pope as more of a Roman and less of a Catholic/Christian.

This is not a "war" - it's an invasion by an aggressor nation into a peaceful neighboring country that did nothing to provoke the attack. The Pope has completely distorted the situation and he's misreading the intentions of Putin. He should just stay out of politics and worry about his own problems.

... and shut the fuck up.

-- Mal

We know whose side you were on during the Dirty War in Argentina, Frank. Multiple priests have accused you of ratting out other priests to the murderous junta dictatorship. You did absolutely nothing to help any innocent civilians, not even members of your own church, and instead stood back and let the junta commit atrocities at will, without a peep of pushback from you.

You are the last person who can tell anyone else how to behave in the face of aggression and oppression.

The very bloody last.

Piss off.

Putin would refit and rearm and invade again in 6 months or a year. He's not just claiming Donetsk, he's saying Ukraine itself has no right to exist.

If it's that important.

Nothing more, nothing less.

I get the feeling no, because if he did, he would understand why Ukraine will not surrender Of course, he is from Argentina, a country that at the end of the WWII had many Nazis escape there. Argentina had that Falklands War back in the 1980s, which they still claim as their own even though they lost the war it is controlled by the UK. But Argentina has never been invaded before, so of course, the Pope would never understand it. But then again, Ukraine is predominately Eastern Orthodox. I have been to many predominately Catholic countries in Europe, and I am not sure they really believe the Pope.


But again, Ukraine knows more than anybody what Russian occupation is, with Poland, the Baltic states, and Georgia being close behind. Really Russia is mad that Ukraine overthrew their pro-Kremlin president during Euromaidan. But if you ask Ukrainians what they think, especially in the western part of Ukraine, they have made it clear that do not want to be occupied or be part of Russia. In fact, the Ukrainian language is more closer to Czech, Polish, Belarusian. Many sounds they have are not found in Russian, but are found in languages like Czech, Slovak, and Polish.

But again, the Pope is plain ignorant. Russia wants an empire. They want an empire stretching from Ireland and Portugal to the far eastern edge of Russia. If they can do that, that only gives other countries like China to try and take other parts of land. Ukraine has made it clear it wants nothing to do with the Kremlin or Russia. I am not saying Ukraine is perfect, and they have a lot of problems to deal with. But unlike Russia, they at least are trying to deal with that. In fact, really Russia is lucky other countries like Moldova, Georgia, Japan, and China aren't trying to take back their disputed territories back. What would happen if China decided to invade Russia and claim their territories as their own?

So really, Pope Francis needs to shut up about this. He has no idea what he is talking about.