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BumRushDaShow

(129,296 posts)
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 07:18 PM Apr 1

'Artificial sun' sets record for time at 100 million degrees in latest advance for nuclear fusion

Source: CNN

Published 7:49 AM EDT, Mon April 1, 2024


CNN — Scientists in South Korea have announced a new world record for the length of time they sustained temperatures of 100 million degrees Celsius — seven times hotter than the sun’s core — during a nuclear fusion experiment, in what they say is an important step forward for this futuristic energy technology.

Nuclear fusion seeks to replicate the reaction that makes the sun and other stars shine, by fusing together two atoms to unleash huge amounts of energy. Often referred to as the holy grail of climate solutions clean energy, fusion has the potential to provide limitless energy without planet-warming carbon pollution. But mastering the process on Earth is extremely challenging.

The most common way of achieving fusion energy involves a donut shaped reactor called a tokamak in which hydrogen variants are heated to extraordinarily high temperatures to create a plasma.

High temperature and high density plasmas, in which reactions can occur for long durations, are vital for the future of nuclear fusion reactors, said Si-Woo Yoon, director of the KSTAR Research Center at the Korean Institute of Fusion Energy (KFE), which achieved the new record.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/01/climate/nuclear-fusion-record-korea-climate-intl/index.html

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'Artificial sun' sets record for time at 100 million degrees in latest advance for nuclear fusion (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Apr 1 OP
So what kind of container is required to withstand 100MM degrees F? OAITW r.2.0 Apr 1 #1
Basically, an electromagnetic bottle 0rganism Apr 1 #3
Fusion. GB_RN Apr 1 #7
Thanks, I am basically nuclear ignorant. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 1 #12
No Worries! GB_RN Apr 1 #13
Hats off to Nurses! OAITW r.2.0 Apr 1 #15
In the 1960s they assured us that fission reactors would make electricity too cheaply to even meter it. Chainfire Apr 1 #2
Well, Sloppy Management Didn't Help ProfessorGAC Apr 1 #4
Yeah, it seems like the waiting is about to pay off!... Think. Again. Apr 1 #6
For those interested (and obviously CNN was not) Warpy Apr 1 #5
Just Under A Minute? GB_RN Apr 1 #9
48 seconds sarisataka Apr 1 #10
"For those interested (and obviously CNN was not)" BumRushDaShow Apr 1 #11
They buried the lede because they knew it was unimpressve Warpy Apr 1 #16
When I do LBN OPs BumRushDaShow Apr 2 #19
Sustaining fusion in an accelerated plasma stream Warpy Apr 2 #23
Well... BumRushDaShow Apr 2 #24
Yikes. twodogsbarking Apr 1 #8
Can we turn this onto repugs?! Let them feel what the fires of hell slightlv Apr 1 #14
Let's assume we can keep this reaction going. Old Crank Apr 1 #17
Almost there! Marcuse Apr 1 #18
Blows my mind that that much heat energy is available.... JohnnyRingo Apr 2 #20
excellent - one of the articles said 300 seconds is the real target Zincwarrior Apr 2 #21
Awesome. republianmushroom Apr 2 #22

OAITW r.2.0

(24,537 posts)
1. So what kind of container is required to withstand 100MM degrees F?
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 07:21 PM
Apr 1

In order to measure this fission heat output?

0rganism

(23,962 posts)
3. Basically, an electromagnetic bottle
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 07:35 PM
Apr 1

The ionized plasma is susceptible to containment within magnetic fields. Tokamaks are shaped like donuts to facilitate this process.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokamak

GB_RN

(2,371 posts)
7. Fusion.
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 07:57 PM
Apr 1

Not to be picky, but there’s a big difference. Fusion is what powers the sun and also, the H-bomb. Two hydrogen atoms smash into each other, fusing to form helium, releasing energy and light (as a star ages, helium is fused into heavier elements).

Fission is what we are currently capable of doing on large scale for energy production. Splitting uranium-235 atoms, releasing energy, and leaving behind highly radioactive waste isotopes of iodine, caesium, strontium, xenon and barium.

That iodine is really bad for you. In the event of a nuclear plant meltdown, if you don’t take iodine pills, your thyroid will take up that radioactive iodine and kill you.

GB_RN

(2,371 posts)
13. No Worries!
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 08:19 PM
Apr 1

Glad to help explain it. Lots of physics and chemistry classes between my biology and nursing degrees. Finally good for something! 😂

Chainfire

(17,587 posts)
2. In the 1960s they assured us that fission reactors would make electricity too cheaply to even meter it.
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 07:27 PM
Apr 1

I am still waiting.

ProfessorGAC

(65,133 posts)
4. Well, Sloppy Management Didn't Help
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 07:36 PM
Apr 1

We live within 90 miles of 5 nuke plants, including 2 under 15 miles away.
When they were being built, tradesmen openly admitted to doing bad welds or adding excess water to concrete so they'd fail inspections, have to be ripped out & done again.
And again. At 4 of the 5 plants. (The first one involved government funding & oversight. )
The plant closest to me cost 3x the estimate when it was all done.
That huge over-investment caused rates to go UP(!) not down.
But, management cut (yes, cut) inspection budgets & bodies. Saved $10 so they could spend a hundred.
Obviously, the too cheap to meter was always hyperbole, but it never even provided a modest cost benefit to consumers.

Warpy

(111,316 posts)
5. For those interested (and obviously CNN was not)
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 07:40 PM
Apr 1

They sustained the reaction for just under a minute.

It's going to be a long time before they learn how to turn short, intermittent bursts of ferocious heat into a power source.

GB_RN

(2,371 posts)
9. Just Under A Minute?
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 08:00 PM
Apr 1

Shit. That beats the hell out of previous records that were fractions of a second and then up to just a few seconds (last I heard). Progress.

BumRushDaShow

(129,296 posts)
11. "For those interested (and obviously CNN was not)"
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 08:03 PM
Apr 1

Unfortunately I can only put 4 paragraphs in the OP (as "fair use" ) but if one actually reads the article, the next paragraph down has this -

KSTAR, KFE’s fusion research device which it refers to as an “artificial sun,” managed to sustain plasma with temperatures of 100 million degrees for 48 seconds during tests between December 2023 and February 2024, beating the previous record of 30 seconds set in 2021.


Warpy

(111,316 posts)
16. They buried the lede because they knew it was unimpressve
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 08:32 PM
Apr 1

to most laymen. Sustaining it beyond a flash is very impressive.

My eyesight is beyond terrible, I found the "just under a minute" on one of the science=ish sites.

I know what you mean about the fair use restriction, I usually snip articles to death. BBC is worse than CNN, they don't know the difference between a sentence and a paragraph, so each sentence is a paragraph.

BumRushDaShow

(129,296 posts)
19. When I do LBN OPs
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 06:04 AM
Apr 2

I prefer to leave them "intact" without snips. Posting anyplace else, I'll cut them up.

(and as a retired scientist, any kind of "EUREKA!" breakthrough is welcome, no matter how brief )

Warpy

(111,316 posts)
23. Sustaining fusion in an accelerated plasma stream
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 12:13 PM
Apr 2

for more than milliseconds is pretty remarkable, I'll grant you, but it's still not harvestable energy. That 20 million degrees, or whatever it was, looks impressive until you realize how tiny it was, it's like trying to warm your hands on a candle flame in the next room.

They're getting closer all the time, but I've given up on seeing Mr. Fusion in my lifetime.

BumRushDaShow

(129,296 posts)
24. Well...
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 12:28 PM
Apr 2

after early attempts like this -



whoda thunk one day it would lead to this in someone's lifetime -



Old Crank

(3,607 posts)
17. Let's assume we can keep this reaction going.
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 09:31 PM
Apr 1

The 48 seconds of fusion produced more energy than was put in.
A certain amount of the output will have to go back into the system to keep it running. But we will need to transmit and or store the excess somehow. That will require much more in infrastructure upgrades to handle that heat.

That is the next issue.

JohnnyRingo

(18,638 posts)
20. Blows my mind that that much heat energy is available....
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 09:44 AM
Apr 2

...from such a miniscule bit of matter.
I'm in wonder of the natural world sometimes.

Thanx for posting.

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