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riversedge

(70,288 posts)
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 03:38 PM Apr 8

Saying prosecutors should focus on Antifa, judge frees white supremacist in beating

Source: usa today




Will Carless April 8, 2024

In his sentencing memo Thursday, U.S. District Judge Cormac J. Carney made it clear why he was letting Tyler Laube off lightly.

It wasn’t just because of what Laube did or didn’t do – the defendant had already confessed to beating a journalist at a 2017 Southern California rally and pleaded guilty to violating riot laws as part of a white-supremacist gang.

Laube deserved a light sentence, Carney said, because prosecutors should have focused on leftist groups.

In a 22-page memo, Carney repeatedly said prosecutors have “ignored” violence committed by Antifa and instead focused on targeting people like Laube — Trump supporters and members of the far-right.


“Sentencing Mr. Laube to additional incarceration would only increase the disparity between his punishment and the lack of punishment (and prosecution) members of far-left groups who have committed the same violent conduct received,” Carney wrote. The sentence: time served, 35 days, rather than the six months prosecutors had sought.

The same day Laube received his light sentence at the federal courthouse in Santa Ana, the largest-ever prosecution of members of Antifa in American history was going to trial just 89 miles away. .......................................


Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/04/08/judge-cormac-carney-tyler-laube-sentence/73220283007/





A judge gave a light sentence to a white supremacist because he thought prosecutors should be focusing on Antifa instead.
Is this what our justice system has come to??
Politics? What happened to #LawAndOrder
#Fresh
#DemsUnited




A pro-Trump rally participant wears a U.S. flag during a march in support of then-President Donald Trump in Huntington Beach, California, March 25, 2017. Beatings at the rally led to charges that several men violated federal laws against rioting and conspiracy to riot.



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Saying prosecutors should focus on Antifa, judge frees white supremacist in beating (Original Post) riversedge Apr 8 OP
Yeah. Antifa are those guys Turbineguy Apr 8 #1
Racist, gonna be racist. mercuryblues Apr 8 #2
What an outrage! DavidDvorkin Apr 8 #3
Hopefully angrychair Apr 8 #4
The judge should be censured. patphil Apr 8 #5
He should be removed & disbarred. onetexan Apr 8 #11
Sure seems like it to me. Seems he was basing the sentence on "facts not in evidence" Bernardo de La Paz Apr 8 #14
Absolutely! Lunabell Apr 8 #20
Exactly. patphil Apr 8 #22
Looks like someone has a little history BaronChocula Apr 8 #6
Looks like to be the same oneand a judge who did not learn his lesson riversedge Apr 8 #27
What the actual F*ck?!? hueymahl Apr 8 #7
Great point. Yes. Anti-fascists are more threatening than the racist criminal. According to fascists & racist criminals Marcus IM Apr 8 #15
So members of antifa should get a pass because they call themselves antifascist? LeftInTX Apr 8 #39
How can someone be a "member of antifa"? Mister Ed Apr 9 #41
Your link is to a Fox channel... Mr. Mustard 2023 Apr 9 #55
One of my links is PBS. The other was just the local Fox affiliate. So, I will provide non-Fox articles. LeftInTX Apr 9 #58
San Diego County isn't blue NanaCat Apr 9 #59
Sounds like somebody wants a SCROTUS seat. GreenWave Apr 8 #8
This "judge" should be impeached. GOTV. Hermit-The-Prog Apr 8 #9
If I was the prosecutor I would have gone ballistic! Grins Apr 8 #10
Antifa is an adjective, as in anti-fascist. hadEnuf Apr 8 #12
It's a real group. They've been around since 1932. They even have their own flag. See Brian Lightfoot's handle below. LeftInTX Apr 8 #38
What nonsense. If "antifa" is an organization, then how does one join it? Mister Ed Apr 9 #40
They went to trial. LeftInTX Apr 9 #42
I'm asking you. How does one join "antifa"? Mister Ed Apr 9 #44
I'm not an expert are you? If you are convinced it doesn't exist, prove that it doesn't exist! LeftInTX Apr 9 #46
The absurdity increases. Prove a negative? Mister Ed Apr 9 #47
I've proven that they exist. LeftInTX Apr 9 #48
You've proven what we already know: that people who subscribe to this school of thought exist. Mister Ed Apr 9 #49
Good grief NanaCat Apr 9 #60
I've got one of those flags Blackjackdavey Apr 9 #57
That judge should resign ExciteBike66 Apr 8 #13
So......we're not punishing judicial misconduct anymore? Aristus Apr 8 #16
Given the totality of circumstances is it worth moving for impeachment? YES! Marcuse Apr 8 #17
This loon was foisted upon us by Shrub. PSPS Apr 8 #18
Fascism on the march.... magicarpet Apr 8 #19
WOW! WTF? bluestarone Apr 8 #21
GOP leaders install the 'right' judges pfitz59 Apr 8 #23
This ignorant bigot of a judge... GiqueCee Apr 8 #24
The federal judge's strong words - and clear political bent - are as unusual as they are uninformed, legal experts told riversedge Apr 8 #25
Can that asshole be removed from the bench? SouthernDem4ever Apr 8 #26
A Bush II appointee. This isn't his first questionable decision. Ocelot II Apr 8 #28
Are there even any WW2 vets still alive to prosecute though? Think. Again. Apr 8 #29
Somehow I don't think he'll be on the bench much longer. marble falls Apr 8 #30
He's retiring. So you'd be correct rpannier Apr 8 #35
Can't be soon enough. Can the prosecution appeal this to a higher court? SouthernDem4ever Apr 9 #51
It will go to the 9th and likely be overturned rpannier Apr 10 #61
My understanding is different than yours onenote Apr 10 #64
Clearly the judge is a partisan hack. Plus... littlemissmartypants Apr 8 #31
Looks like Speaker Johnson's older brother underpants Apr 8 #32
Relative religious views. czarjak Apr 9 #43
Is that a green light or what ??? SamKnause Apr 8 #33
Sounds like a right wing judge right out of the Weimar Republic. thucythucy Apr 8 #34
Good play if Trump wins '24 oasis Apr 8 #36
Does this get appealed? Ford_Prefect Apr 8 #37
See post #64 onenote Apr 10 #65
Not racist either? czarjak Apr 9 #45
Not only white privilege but also white supremacist privilege, this is the bias they have on their side ck4829 Apr 9 #50
Eye opening! wolfie001 Apr 9 #52
Straight white male privilege strikes again Ray Bruns Apr 9 #53
This is judicial malpractice. The Unmitigated Gall Apr 9 #54
These idiots also think Antifa masquerades as white supremacists to commit false flag ops IronLionZion Apr 9 #56
So blatant. Wow. Passages Apr 10 #62
Cormac J. Carney should be Censored at least.. he's Cha Apr 10 #63
Appeal time & recommend judge he disbarred. onetexan Apr 11 #66
Sadly no appeal. A miscarriage of justice. Only guilty verdicts and punishments can be appealed. LeftInTX Apr 11 #67

patphil

(6,204 posts)
5. The judge should be censured.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 04:01 PM
Apr 8

His job is to apply the law, and not let his personal beliefs interfere with his duty as a judge.
What other judges in other courts do is not relevant.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,034 posts)
14. Sure seems like it to me. Seems he was basing the sentence on "facts not in evidence"
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 04:29 PM
Apr 8

His speculations about prosecutor activity are biased and not based on fact, I am sure (have not read the 22 page sentencing statement).

Lunabell

(6,105 posts)
20. Absolutely!
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 05:16 PM
Apr 8

I was on a jury once for trafficking and possession of cocaine. We found him not guilty of trafficking because he was just driving around in a known drug area, no evidence of selling. And though I loathed to find him guilty of possession because I personally believe small amounts of drugs should not be illegal, I voted to convict because it was the law. I didn't like the law, but I had to obey it in court. That's how it is supposed to work.

hueymahl

(2,510 posts)
7. What the actual F*ck?!?
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 04:09 PM
Apr 8

You mean, the anti-facists are more threatening than the racist criminal? Interesting.

Marcus IM

(2,219 posts)
15. Great point. Yes. Anti-fascists are more threatening than the racist criminal. According to fascists & racist criminals
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 04:34 PM
Apr 8


Not to mention America's history of fascism and fascist regime support (with some equivocation as a reaction to the support of said fascists), and long term opposition to progressivism and democratic social policies.

I mean, the US is the only developed nation that has not ratified the progressive UDHR or the progressive ERA, while many "third world" nations have ratified both also.

America is a victim of its own deliberate retarded development.




LeftInTX

(25,526 posts)
39. So members of antifa should get a pass because they call themselves antifascist?
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 11:50 PM
Apr 8
Trial begins for alleged antifa members accused of riot conspiracy in Pacific Beach
The defense played videos recorded by one of the prosecution's listed victims, a man who live-streamed his interactions with a group of people at the protest.

The man was punched and pepper sprayed by a group of people, but defense attorneys say before that happened, the man declared on his stream, "This is going to be good content," that he was "going into combat mode" and that some of the antifa crowd members "are going to lose some teeth."

After several insults and yelling, a brawl ensues. One person swung a skateboard at the man, who later says, "I purposely did that to trigger him" in regard to the insults he directed at the crowd.

Another group of people who were allegedly pepper sprayed by Lightfoot and beaten by others were armed with a knife and a gun that turned out to be a replica, the defense attorney said.

https://www.kpbs.org/news/politics/2024/04/02/trial-begins-for-alleged-antifa-members-accused-of-riot-conspiracy-in-pacific-beach



I'm not agreeing with this judge, because I believe the judge is being unfair.

But hiding under a banner of "antifascist" while committing crimes should not give a criminal a free pass. These 9 antifa members plead guilty to riot conspiracy. What if you were accidentally clubbed and targeted by them...would you like it? Two weeks ago, one member received a 32 month sentence.

SAN DIEGO (FOX 5/KUSI) — One of the remaining defendants connected to a 2021 clash in Pacific Beach between supporters of former President Donald Trump and an anti-fascist group pleaded guilty to changes in court Monday morning.

Luis Francisco Mora, a 32-year-old Los Angeles resident, entered the new plea to two charges — assault and conspiracy to riot — about a week before the beginning of trial after reaching a deal with prosecutors. He previously pleaded not guilty.

Under the deal, Mora accepted a 32-month sentence for his role in the melee at a counter-protest to the so-called “Patriot March” in Pacific Beach on Jan. 9, 2021, where he tear-gassed a woman. He would have faced a nine-year stint behind bars and a $10,000 fine if convicted by a jury.


https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news/demonstrator-in-2021-pacific-beach-riot-changes-plea-ahead-of-trial/

Mister Ed

(5,943 posts)
41. How can someone be a "member of antifa"?
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 12:42 AM
Apr 9

Last edited Tue Apr 9, 2024, 01:24 AM - Edit history (1)

It's a school of thought, not an organization. Calling someone a "member of antifa" is as absurd as calling someone a "member of conservatism" or a "member of white supremacy".

Or maybe a "member of internet trollery".

Mr. Mustard 2023

(116 posts)
55. Your link is to a Fox channel...
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 09:30 AM
Apr 9

....so I won't waste my time reading it. Fox and many of it's affiliates are known proven liars so I already know they're not trustworthy. You see, they have to lie because their positions are unpopular and often untrue. You'd think a sober adult would change after knowing their positions are false or don't work, but there's power and money involved and those liars can't compete on a level, fair playing field.

Oh no, they have to lie and cheat to maintain their positions in society.

Hang out with liars, get branded a liar.

LeftInTX

(25,526 posts)
58. One of my links is PBS. The other was just the local Fox affiliate. So, I will provide non-Fox articles.
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 12:24 PM
Apr 9

There are quite a few articles about the case.

Isn't San Diego a blue county???

Here are the DA's own words:

Grand Jury Indicts 11 Defendants in Connection with Violent Pacific Beach Antifa Incident
https://www.sdcda.org/content/office/newsroom/tempDownloads/a1fe1c69-f3ca-4292-afa6-9b72565877f5_PB%20Grand%20Jury%20News%20Release%206-7-2022.pdf

San Diego County District Attorney Summer Stephan announced today that a criminal grand jury has
returned indictments against 11 individuals in connection with violent criminal acts committed during a
demonstration in Pacific Beach on January 9, 2021. Charges handed down by the grand jury against the
defendants include conspiracy to commit a riot, use of tear gas, assault with a deadly weapon, and
assault by means likely to produce great bodily injury. In lieu of a preliminary hearing, the grand jury
heard testimony over 13 days and delivered the unsealed indictment on May 23, 2022. The defendants
have been indicted on 29 felony counts.



Here are a few articles from the San Diego Union Tribune:
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/courts/story/2024-04-02/trial-opens-in-first-of-its-kind-antifa-conspiracy-case-arising-from-pacific-beach-political-clash

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/courts/story/2024-02-14/counterprotester-gets-2-year-sentence-in-anti-fascist-conspiracy-prosecution


Here is another article;
https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/local/demonstrator-involved-in-violent-2021-pacific-beach-protest-sentenced/509-1b28b587-626b-4def-8495-5a9163c37a2e

There are/were 11 defendants involved. Nine of them received plea bargains. One received a 32 month sentence. One received a two year sentence. One received a four year sentence.
A trial is currently ongoing for the two who did not plea.

The state of California prosecuted the antifascists. I didn't prosecute them.

____________

I feel like they got fairly steep penalties. They got worse penalties than most of the Jan 6th insurrectionists. Hey, Q anon shaman is out of prison.

It's a state case and the federal judge has no business commenting about state cases, plea deals or injecting his personal opinion. Also, they all got steep penalties and the federal judge let this guy go???

___________

Anyway, when I see threads about antifa, I often see comments about how they "don't exist" or how they are WWII soldiers. Many antifa are anarchists. The way to be antifascist is to get involved in government.
"I can hit them because they are fascist and I'm antifascist" isn't a very good defense.



NanaCat

(1,231 posts)
59. San Diego County isn't blue
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 01:05 PM
Apr 9

It's purple, at best. And that's only within the last decade or so. Before that, it was deep red.

Even now, it's nearly even in terms of which party holds elected office.

Grins

(7,227 posts)
10. If I was the prosecutor I would have gone ballistic!
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 04:16 PM
Apr 8

And let that judge know it!!

I’d tell him I was filing charges against him and get him removed from the court; with expletives not deleted.

hadEnuf

(2,211 posts)
12. Antifa is an adjective, as in anti-fascist.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 04:23 PM
Apr 8

Not a left-leaning group.

This Fox news right-wing asshole of a judge should be removed.

LeftInTX

(25,526 posts)
38. It's a real group. They've been around since 1932. They even have their own flag. See Brian Lightfoot's handle below.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 11:18 PM
Apr 8

The flag is the Anitifa symbol and this is one of their members trial.

That doesn't excuse the judge however. Being a member of a group is not a crime. If a group collectively committed crimes, then they deserve to be punished. In this case, Antifa got plea deals and were sentenced to prison for beating up Trump supporters.



Trial begins for alleged antifa members accused of riot conspiracy in Pacific Beach
In her opening statement, Harvey outlined 11 "separate acts of violence" allegedly perpetrated by Lightfoot, White, and other antifa members, who the prosecutor said converged on Pacific Beach in tactical gear and armed with weapons such as baseball bats, pepper spray and tasers.

Harvey said both Lightfoot and White pepper sprayed various people and either took part in or instigated incidents in which people were physically beaten by antifa members.

The prosecutor said the defendants "came to San Diego with a number of co-conspirators with the intention to shut down the speech and the assembly of a Patriot group for the simple fact that they didn't agree with their beliefs."

White's attorney, Curtis Briggs, and Lightfoot's attorney, John Hamasaki, argued their clients sought to defend counterprotesters from pro-Trump members who were trying to stir up violence.

https://www.kpbs.org/news/politics/2024/04/02/trial-begins-for-alleged-antifa-members-accused-of-riot-conspiracy-in-pacific-beach


This does not excuse this particular federal judge. The antifa group consisted of 11 defendents and there is no reason to even compare any type of group period. Judges are supposed to be impartial and not ruled by whether they are members of certain group, unless the group itself is a criminal organization.

Mister Ed

(5,943 posts)
40. What nonsense. If "antifa" is an organization, then how does one join it?
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 12:39 AM
Apr 9

Can a person really join just by adopting an internet handle that includes the word?

LeftInTX

(25,526 posts)
42. They went to trial.
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 12:44 AM
Apr 9



Bottom line: They got in a riot and assaulted people.

But to say that "Antifa" doesn't exist is not true. They were founded as a political party in Germany in 1932.



And here's a modern pic with their flags and gear. Ask them how to join!







https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

LeftInTX

(25,526 posts)
46. I'm not an expert are you? If you are convinced it doesn't exist, prove that it doesn't exist!
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 12:53 AM
Apr 9

Obviously the California State prosecutor, (not the federal judge) thinks they are real. There are numerous articles about them. Why would there be articles about something "that doesn't exist".

I've shown you pictures that they exist.

I'm not interested in joining them, but I've seen them in my town. They're one of the marshals at the International Women's Day parade along with the Brown Berets. They are also pro-communist here. One has the antifa flag, the other carries the hammer and sickle flag.

Mister Ed

(5,943 posts)
49. You've proven what we already know: that people who subscribe to this school of thought exist.
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 01:11 AM
Apr 9

Your linked Wikipedia articles describe both 1930's German Antifa and modern American Antifa as "movements", and not organizations. Organizations have membership rosters, movements do not.

It's like the difference between "white supremacy" and "Proud Boys". The Proud Boys is an organization. It has members. "White supremacy" is a school of thought. It does not have members, only adherents.

NanaCat

(1,231 posts)
60. Good grief
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 01:14 PM
Apr 9

Anyone who has even remotely studied logic knows that proving a negative is well nigh impossible. Besides, it's the person making the positive claim who has the burden of proof. That's you.

You're the one saying it's an organization; ergo, you are the one who needs to provide evidence supporting that assertion. Listing some pictures of supposed antifa organizations isn't evidence of an organization; that only shows some people with banners. Listing court cases against people who subscribe to the ideology is not evidence of an organization, only of subscribing to an ideology.

Organizations have names and members with clear guidelines of how to join or who can join. It is now incumbent upon you to name the organizations that are antifa, and links to how membership works.

Blackjackdavey

(178 posts)
57. I've got one of those flags
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 11:37 AM
Apr 9

And the t shirt too! Because I am anti-fascist. Unfortunately I've never been invited to any meetings or parties. I was a member of the United States Army though. Does that count?

Curious, what gang does the rebel flag/tshirt/sticker etc group belong too?

ExciteBike66

(2,372 posts)
13. That judge should resign
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 04:29 PM
Apr 8

His decision is a blatant disregard for public safety and is based on cases and facts that are not properly before him in court.

magicarpet

(14,164 posts)
19. Fascism on the march....
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 04:57 PM
Apr 8

This time directly from the judges bench.

Yes,... didn't you see all the Anti-Fa flags at the US Capitol - Jan6 too ?

GiqueCee

(634 posts)
24. This ignorant bigot of a judge...
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 06:41 PM
Apr 8

... should be removed from the bench, by force if necessary, and immediately disbarred for life.
What flaming fucking asshole.

riversedge

(70,288 posts)
25. The federal judge's strong words - and clear political bent - are as unusual as they are uninformed, legal experts told
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 07:32 PM
Apr 8



.........The federal judge’s strong words – and clear political bent – are as unusual as they are uninformed, legal experts told USA TODAY.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
26. Can that asshole be removed from the bench?
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 07:38 PM
Apr 8

He certainly doesn't deserve to wear the robe. All he is doing is promoting more violence. If there is no justice in the court, people will try to get it themselves. What a fool.

onenote

(42,748 posts)
64. My understanding is different than yours
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 08:00 PM
Apr 10

My understanding is that the prosecution can appeal a sentence on the grounds it was too lenient only if the sentence is based on a legal error, such as ignoring a mandatory minimum.

Maybe it could be challenged as being arbitrary and based on clear factual error, but it would be highly unusual for such an appeal to be brought and I would be surprised if the prosecution challenges it.

littlemissmartypants

(22,747 posts)
31. Clearly the judge is a partisan hack. Plus...
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 07:59 PM
Apr 8

Laube is one of four defendants in the long-running prosecution of members of the Rise Above Movement, a now-disbanded white supremacist “fight club” that would regularly show up at protests in California elsewhere and get into fights with leftists.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2024/04/08/judge-cormac-carney-tyler-laube-sentence/73220283007/


Propublica did an exposé on the "Rise Above" movement. They are a bunch of really bad dudes. Criminal thugs is the best description I can conjure at the moment.

Someone needs to check the judge's hard drive because he's giving off a really strong nefarious behavior in his personal life vibe.

Full report by Propublica done in conjunction with Frontline. Run time: 53:16

In this 2018 documentary, FRONTLINE and ProPublica investigate a neo-Nazi group that has actively recruited inside the U.S. military.


?si=gRpzKFoeXygT-qRh

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
33. Is that a green light or what ???
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 08:21 PM
Apr 8

That is worse than stand back and stand by.

Did the judge also give him an AR15 before he left the courtroom ???

thucythucy

(8,086 posts)
34. Sounds like a right wing judge right out of the Weimar Republic.
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 09:07 PM
Apr 8

The type who loathed Social Democrats and so went out of their way toi give violent Nazis a break.

And we all know how that ended...

I hope the journalist can sue the scumbag who assaulted him.

oasis

(49,401 posts)
36. Good play if Trump wins '24
Mon Apr 8, 2024, 09:41 PM
Apr 8

Supreme Court may have 2 or 3 seats that need filling during Trump's "final" term.

The Unmitigated Gall

(3,828 posts)
54. This is judicial malpractice.
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 09:20 AM
Apr 9

Facts not in evidence cited in a “what about these guys” diatribe? Meanwhile, a dangerous thug is freed upon the populace and very real facts of his criminality are ignored.
This judge is a menace.

IronLionZion

(45,516 posts)
56. These idiots also think Antifa masquerades as white supremacists to commit false flag ops
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 09:44 AM
Apr 9

so the lighter sentence is really letting Antifa get away with it. The best way to punish Antifa is to throw the book at white supremacists.

There was a time when conservatives complained about "activist judges".

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