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(47,502 posts)
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 10:05 PM Apr 16

House approves resolution condemning Palestinian rallying cry as antisemitic

Source: The Hill

The House on Tuesday adopted a resolution condemning as antisemitic the phrase “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” a Palestinian rallying cry.

The chamber voted 377-44-1 on the measure, with 43 progressives and Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) opposing the measure and Rep. Madeleine Dean (D-Pa.) voting “present.”

The resolution, which spans five pages, comes months after Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) was censured by the House in November for posting a video on the social platform X that included a clip of protesters chanting the same phrase and said President Biden “supported the genocide of the Palestinian people.” Tlaib voted against the resolution Tuesday. In a post on X in November, after her video drew controversy, Tlaib called the phrase “an aspirational call for freedom” and “not death.”

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4598347-house-approves-resolution-condemning-palestinian-rallying-cry-as-antisemitic/

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House approves resolution condemning Palestinian rallying cry as antisemitic (Original Post) question everything Apr 16 OP
This is petty, tit-for-tat, BS. coprolite Apr 16 #1
Were the impeachments supported by Zeitghost Apr 17 #11
So when Likud says "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be RockRaven Apr 16 #2
Uh... JackSabbath Apr 16 #3
Crazy, isn't it? A lot of people aren't aware of this (or don't know what it means.) PSPS Apr 17 #5
Uh... as long as we're splitting hairs, let's be clear. Oopsie Daisy Apr 17 #9
Doing the important work of the American people Prairie Gates Apr 16 #4
Not hard to tell which side Aussie105 Apr 17 #6
Anti-semitic? Aussie105 Apr 17 #7
Your definition appears to come from an Oxford UP publication muriel_volestrangler Apr 17 #8
I'm Jewish and support Israel, and this is constitutionally Passages Apr 17 #10

coprolite

(182 posts)
1. This is petty, tit-for-tat, BS.
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 10:22 PM
Apr 16

No different then the Mayorkas and Biden impeachments. I hope someday they are ashamed.

RockRaven

(14,978 posts)
2. So when Likud says "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be
Tue Apr 16, 2024, 10:23 PM
Apr 16

Israeli sovereignty " what does the House call that?

Oopsie Daisy

(2,663 posts)
9. Uh... as long as we're splitting hairs, let's be clear.
Wed Apr 17, 2024, 06:41 AM
Apr 17

The term "Semitic" refers to a large group of languages and ethnic groups originating in the Middle East. This includes both the Jewish and Arab peoples. Semitic languages include Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic, and others.

So the Palestinians, as an Arab people, are considered ethnically Semitic, just like the Jewish Israelis. The distinction often made is that the Israelis are considered Semitic in an ethnic/linguistic sense, while the term "anti-Semitism" is more commonly used to refer to discrimination or prejudice specifically against Jewish people.

So while the statement that "Palestinians are Semitic" is technically true, it comes across as an attempt to deflect from or diminish accusations of anti-Semitism. The reality is more nuanced - both Israelis and Palestinians are considered part of the broader Semitic ethnic and linguistic group.

Aussie105

(5,412 posts)
6. Not hard to tell which side
Wed Apr 17, 2024, 12:59 AM
Apr 17

Americans are supposed to be on.

. . . Tlaib called the phrase “an aspirational call for freedom” and “not death.” . . .

I agree with her on that point.

But uppity for protestors to complain about Palestinian deaths though.

Don't they know Hamas is Palestinian, which makes all of the people in Palestine Hamas fighters or supporters, and legitimate targets?
And that starvation, thirst and destruction of housing and medical infrastructure are legitimate tools in warfare?







Be wary of a government that tells you what to think.
Don't care if you are American, Russian, Israeli, Australian, British, whatever.
Exercise your right of critical thinking and judging for yourself.

Aussie105

(5,412 posts)
7. Anti-semitic?
Wed Apr 17, 2024, 01:38 AM
Apr 17

Thanks for pointing that misuse out.

It's being used to mean 'anti-jewish', 'anti-Israel'.

"Sem·it·ic
[sɪˈmɪtɪk]
adjective
relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian, constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.
relating to the peoples who speak Semitic languages, especially Hebrew and Arabic."

Note the definition does NOT mention religion of any type.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,331 posts)
8. Your definition appears to come from an Oxford UP publication
Wed Apr 17, 2024, 04:03 AM
Apr 17

And if you look up "anti-semitic", you'll find:

Characterized by prejudice, hostility, or discrimination towards Jewish people on religious, cultural, or ethnic grounds; anti-Jewish.

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/anti-semitic_adj?tl=true

Don't expect language usage to be 100% logical, all the time. You can't just assume that removing the "anti-" gives you the exact definition of what the prejudice is againsy. "Anti-semitic" was introduced as a term by European people with prejudices against Jews to make their own opinions sound nuanced, or even "respectable".

If you want a modern equivalent, think of "pro-life"; people who call themselves "pro-life" may be rabid proponents of the death penalty, so clearly it's not all "life" they are "for".

Passages

(125 posts)
10. I'm Jewish and support Israel, and this is constitutionally
Wed Apr 17, 2024, 08:03 AM
Apr 17

protected speech. I'm not threatened by it and Bibi says it often, so what will these lawmakers do? Who gets to say it??


That said, I have no idea how this is not incitement from a lawmaker:



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