"V'GER 1"



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Bones, can we put some green skin on V'Ger? It...helps.

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movies.

Beam me up Scotty!!!

and prosper

I didn't see TOS until we moved to California two years later

1977...great year for me and the Country was healing from the latest Republican disaster just like today.

Debugging and fixing a 50 year old computer from 15 billion miles away.

usa should be very proud ~

WTG, NASA/JPL!!

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What an AMAZING feat!! I don't think many earthlings grasp the complexity of this challenge--not just re-writing basic primitive code, but also re-mapping the spacecraft's entire memory FROM 15 BILLION MILES away!

some asshole on a podcast for my science information.

"Praise Jayee-zus!" is their version of science. Makes me retch.

is not religion.

The poster is right, anyone who gets their science from the Bible is wrong.

what fool would say religious people aren't spiritual. But they are not the same thing and the Sagan quote was about spirituality, not religion.
What any percent of people believe is meaningless in this conversation.

What any percent of people believe is meaningless only to you.

spirituality is not religion. What part of that sentence is not true?

Example, that a third of Americans reject evolution is meaningless to it's scientific veracity.

he fails to acknowledge that science arose from the first two rational religions described in the Bible. When one emerges from the other, it's pointless to say they have to "intersect."

of horse dung.

So much for science and facts.

He does believe science should be fun.

Neil deGrasse Tyson says it's hard to argue that we aren't living in a simulation, explaining that with the computing power to create worlds - that can create worlds, that then create more worlds - the likelihood that we're living in the "real world" is, at best, slim.

He says that almost immediately so you don't have to watch the whole two minutes if you don't want to.

His sense of humor and his way to make speculation fun.

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name a scientific fact derived from the Bible.

And the religiosity of a scientist is also meaningless, as long as they don't get their science from the Bible instead of Science.

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Maybe you have/haven't read it but, maybe like most folks, know about it. But when you read Moses' account of the saved Hebrew slaves, and his receiving their God's 10 Commandments, those became the core of their religion, even if it set boundaries for good/bad behavior through "Thou shalt nots." The rest of their religion (non-idol God consciousness) was their evolving knowledge of their God who set them rules for building a tabernacle so that he would dwell among his chosen people -- along with Judges who set Laws, statutes, testimonies, rules of evidence, etc., for ordering their moral and social lives of newfound freedom (OT Psalm 19, that lays out "as above 1-6, so below 7-14" ) along with how to not look to physical gods, idols, but to their God of the heavens.

Science and religion might be meaningless to you, yet many scientists subscribe to the Bible's Author who was the God that designed the universes and everything in them. Scientists who are Christian and Jew know that God fully inspired the Bible's human writers and so is the Author of the scriptures. Therefore as believers in the micro and macro universe designer, scientists' have a philosophy (there is a philosophy of science) and the self-correcting "scientific method" to discover it, knowing their God has supreme expertise on how the universe works. There was no science in the ancient era, but it's clear today that the Author of the Bible wouldn't have to explain His universe to ancients just exiting Egyptian enslavement; but scientists for centuries have studied how the once biblically described universe has worked. The Bible is surprisingly accurate within scriptures that indicate the Author was out in front of science, but with the post slavery ancients he explained the goodness and stability of his creation.

Take DNA -- When Rosalind Franklin discovered the double helix of DNA that Watson & Crick stole credit for, the idea of Darwin's evolution -- that living organisms blindly 'evolved' from simpler ones -- had not been proven. Boil that problem down to one word: information.
There was the level of complexity within every cell that Darwin and his generation of scientists never dreamed existed; coded information systems within every cell; then soon after, the helix shape building blocks were studied. Every cell communicates within itself and passes the info around through RNA, which wasn't atomically mapped until 7 years ago by chemist Jennifer Doudna. Back in the day, Timothy Leary called the as-yet-unseen RNA "the god gene."
Biological information is packed through the entire organic world that's literally built on information systems.
It's been scientifically proven that matter can only hold information; it cannot produce or create it. Information comes only from one source -- intelligence. The chemicals of DNA, sparked by RNA to do life stuff, is referred to as the "instruction book of life".
It's been shown that the genetic alphabet for a simple single celled amoeba are the equivalent of information in 1,000 encyclopedias. Also, if laid out end to end, the DNA code in every multi-celled human would go to the sun and back numerous times. I learned that when I took DNA strands (and studied their structure) from fruitflies at the U of IL microbiology lab back in the 70's. Prior to DNA discoveries in the 50's, scientists widely believed that matter, energy and random chance were all that was needed for evolution. These discoveries are pre-described in Moses' Genesis' very first chapter, the Author of the Bible speaking these major matter and life systems into existence, then telling Moses how to describe that some 3,000 years before science came to exist in order to study how those systems have worked.

Take Hydrology -- discovered in the 17th century, how the same mass of water cycles work worldwide. The Book of Job, 2,300 years earlier... "He wraps up the waters in his clouds, yet the clouds do not burst under their weight...He draws up the drops of water, which distill as rain to the streams; the clouds pour down their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind...Have you entered the storehouses of the snow or see the storehouses of the hail?" Job 26, 36, 38

Take Astronomy -- Before the telescope was invented in the 17th C, lead scientists estimated the sky contained between 1,022 and 1,055 stars. Now we know there are 100 billion just in our galaxy. The Author of the Bible wrote in the Bk of Jeremiah that the starts cannot be counted, nor the heavens measured. Jeremiah 33:22

Or Meteorology -- 1643, mathematician Torricelli discovered that air has weight. A few thousand years before that, the author of the Bible wrote about the "weight of the wind." Job 28:25

Geology -- 1851, Foucault demonstrated that Earth rotates. The author of the Bible wrote about Earth being "turned like a clay to the seal" -- a device similar to a rolling pin rolled across clas to stamp a signature -- describing Earth as rotating on an axis 2,500 yrs earlier. (can't remember the book, sorry, I'll circle back)

Physiology -- Medieval times, bleeding patients out was a (kind of a dumb) medical procedure still practiced as late as the 1920's, when all along the Bible was way out in front with "the life of a creature is in the blood" thousands of years earlier. Leviticus 17:11

These aren't anti-science biblical positions, they just precede the existence of science, as did the Author who described his work in ways the ancients could then understand, preceding scientific discovery. The religiosity is meaningless to you, but tell that to 41% of scientists who claim Christianity.

Francis S. Collins, PhD Yale and MD from UNC -- "The God of the Bible is also the God of the genome. He can be worshipped in the cathedral or in the laboratory. His creation is majestic, awesome, intricate and beautiful -- and it cannot be at war with itself. Only we imperfect humans can start such battles. And only we can end them."

Hugh Ross, PhD in Astronomy, Astrophysics -- "I especially enjoy integrating the content of the Bible -- all 66 books -- with findings reported in multiple science journals. This process leads to fresh insight and application."

Stephen C Meyer, PhD in Philosophy of Science, Cambridge -- "I think many discoveries of modern science have positive, faith-affirming implications, including the discovery that the universe, time, and space had a beginning; the the laws and constants of physics are finely tuned to allow for the possibility of life; and that biological systems display striking evidence of design, the molecular machiwery and digital informtion we find in living cells. It's a great time for Christians to work in science."

Alistair McGrath, Dr of Philosophy for Research in Molecular Biophysics, Cambridge -- "Tradition is a willingness to read Scripture, taking into account the ways in which it has been read in the past. It is an awareness of the communal dimension of Christian faith, which calls shallow individualism into question...

Ian Hutchinson, PhD in Engineering Physics, Nuclear Engineer and Physicist at MIT -- "I take the Bible very seriously... and would affirm the one notion that it is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, reproof and correction as it says in 2 Timothy 3:16. But it doesn't mean that when we come to it, our particular interpretations are always affirmed by God."

Not to mention 8+ Christian presidents from Lincoln to Biden...

The point is that science and religion are more compatible than most people have been led to believe, regardless of divisive lingo used or the timelines of their appearance.

Have a good rest of your day.

The Exodus story is a myth.. there was no Moses and Jews were never slaves in Egypt.
Sorry, I don't get my science from Answets in Genesis.

Sorry you wasted all that effort on this tripe.

Whole academic majors exist worldwide to study, scrutinize and prove/disprove ancient works that you call bullshit. In so many words it's called ancient studies.

Literal humans have written literal history -- not myths, historical ancient writings, not oral culture, that have been literally, rigorously studied and verified by literal historians, scholars and archeologists. The first five books of the Bible, the Torah, and the next 35 -- until 400 BC, when the Hebrew Bible was canonized -- were based on thousands of scrolls, the original manuscripts about law and order in society, history, and predicting the future. Unlike the polytheists of Moses’ day, the original commandments were handed down, as the literal real Moses said, literally by one Yahweh, who chose the Hebrews as his people, and whose word and laws he commanded them to always keep on record and follow. Correlating with those commandments were the Laws re good/bad behavior in society that were enforced by judges of the Hebrews.

First, the literal people of ancient times before Jesus ( I have a shortened version, but with this timeline you can also check out the sources)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_literalist_chronology

is the Egyptians who actually wrote things down, unlike the desert nomad tribes, recorded information about their workers. What is described in the Torah never happened. Or do you know of any Hebrew scrolls from 1500BCE. And not the post Babylonian stories?

You have belief, I have facts.

then link your facts.

we are not going to meet on this.
I am sure we have our mutually support the Democratic Party to agree on here.

the earliest surviving copy of the New Testament from 300 AD is probably close to the originals written decades after the death of Yeshua. Says nothing about the veracity of the writing within. Considering all the contradictions within the Gospels, to hold it as any form of history is foolish.

I find all these arguments by apologetics to be woefully lacking.

You've offered nothing but scoffing dismissal while apologetics is based on facts you don't want to know. The book shown here isn't apologetics. It's an historical layout of sources, facts, graphs, etc.about ancient events.

I'm sure you find anything factual and historical "woefully lacking." Lacking what. You can't say, because you're woefully lacking in what's factually, historically, intellectually true to compare apologetics to.

Our president lives with a spirit, drive and heart that puts Good into action. He's lives what he believes. Which is like a lion. You don't have to defend a lion. All you have to do is let the lion loose, and the lion will defend itself.

That thing is 15.1 billion miles away. So hard to imagine

Probably painted graffiti on it too.

Just saw the IMAX film, “Deep Sky,” about the Web telescope. It was excellent.

Speaking as one that worked at NASA for 10 years in the 1990s.

A few of them were still around when I was there.

As they always told me... the Space Shuttle was meant to be a prototype... to be used a few times and then a second generation shuttle would be designed using what they learned from the first one. Much like Gemini followed by Apollo.

Then the funding was cut and they were told to "just make the Space Shuttle work".

Sigh.

And I spew gibberish for periods of time too!

I love this wonderful little machine.

What an achievement. We all needed this so much right now.

and had prayed to Jeebus for help.

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Screw AT&T.

I'm calling NASA the next time my internet goes down.

Astronautical something something.

That's all I've got.

Astronautical Automation Association?

on this project.

Especially tough is that the craft is more than 22 hours away.
So, everything they try requires waiting 45 hours to see if it worked as desired.
Great engineering, even greater patience.