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SouthBayDem

(32,065 posts)
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 04:15 PM Apr 26

Student Protest Leader at Columbia: 'Zionists Don't Deserve to Live'

Source: NY Times

Video of incendiary comments by one of the leaders of the student protest encampment at Columbia University surfaced online Thursday evening, forcing the school to again confront an issue at the core of the conflict rippling across campuses nationwide: the tension between pro-Palestinian activism and antisemitism.

The student, Khymani James, said in the January video that “Zionists don’t deserve to live” and “Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists.”

Mr. James made the comments during and after a disciplinary hearing with Columbia administrators that he recorded and then posted on Instagram.

The hearing, conducted by an associate director of the university’s Center for Student Success and Intervention, was focused on an earlier comment he shared on social media, in which he discussed fighting a Zionist. “I don’t fight to injure or for there to be a winner or a loser, I fight to kill,” he wrote.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/26/nyregion/columbia-student-protest-zionism.html?unlocked_article_code=1.nU0.kS1R.VtKAPZ5ePYS5&smid=url-share

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Student Protest Leader at Columbia: 'Zionists Don't Deserve to Live' (Original Post) SouthBayDem Apr 26 OP
But but bit Ontheboundry Apr 26 #1
Did killing thousands of Palestinian children destabilize Israel? PerceptionManagement Apr 26 #2
It's not "genocide". I call bad-faith AnrothElf Apr 26 #9
Is that something Mr. James asked at his rally? Torchlight Apr 26 #17
Those numbers, reported by the UN, are from the Hamas elected Gaza Government, and people believe them AZLD4Candidate Apr 27 #51
When it turns out to be far higher AloeVera Apr 27 #67
So, how many terrorist organizations should we believe to validate confirmation bias? AZLD4Candidate Apr 27 #69
Bravo. madaboutharry Apr 27 #81
never forget oldinmtdem92 Apr 28 #95
What has that got to do with protesting and vanalizing colleges in the US...and why Demsrule86 Apr 28 #91
And the prize for today's distractive non sequitur goes to... yardwork Apr 28 #92
Over the top no_hypocrisy Apr 26 #3
Kent State and Jackson State coming soon. Evolve Dammit Apr 26 #4
The police need to be looking into this person. Eko Apr 26 #5
He apologized. Voltaire2 Apr 26 #6
Not much of apology, falsely saying, "Zionism is an ideology that necessitates the genocide of the Palestinian people." SunSeeker Apr 26 #11
He said that while he was apologizing. This is Mel Gibson level. LeftInTX Apr 26 #15
Posting Ben Shapiro's website here? Really? nt SouthBayDem Apr 26 #26
Did you even watch the freak'n video??? He was kicked out of Columbia anyway. LeftInTX Apr 26 #27
Well, that was disgusting, woah!!! Oh, who's Ben Shapiro? A RW'r w a social media media electric_blue68 Apr 27 #43
He is sorry he got caught Ontheboundry Apr 26 #30
I'd tend to agree. If I was really mad I say like "fuck them, screw them!", type stuff, NOT... electric_blue68 Apr 27 #44
He can piss off with that weak fake BS AkFemDem Apr 27 #52
His excuse: Beastly Boy Apr 27 #53
Hardly an apology. And so thats all it takes if you threaten to kill people, huh? oldsoftie Apr 27 #58
He's sorry he got caught. He can kiss EllieBC Apr 28 #89
A recipe for disaster BaronChocula Apr 26 #7
So I guess he's on Putin's payroll? sarisataka Apr 26 #8
The irony is Hamas believes Khymani James doesn't deserve to live. Because he's a queer man. SunSeeker Apr 26 #10
Which is why I have to shake my head when I see signs like "Queers for Palestine" Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 26 #16
He just plain old hates white people. He's been kicked out of Columbia. LeftInTX Apr 26 #23
So you're acquainting Shermanator Apr 27 #42
Where did I say what you're accusing me of? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 27 #45
70% of Palestinians in Gaza supported the Hamas attack. oldsoftie Apr 27 #60
So where is the Palestinian Gay Pride parade held? West Bank? EX500rider Apr 27 #75
I hope you didn't pull a muscle with that stretch, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 28 #88
Sorry have I missed all the pride parades EllieBC Apr 28 #90
It's certainly a "Chickens for KFC" view of the world. Go figure. CincyDem Apr 27 #56
Its the "mob mentality". These idiots want to be a part of the "cool" protest of the day oldsoftie Apr 27 #59
Stupid AF. live love laugh Apr 26 #12
Here is the video. He goes on for over six minutes. Not just one sentence, but goes on. LeftInTX Apr 26 #13
"Zionists are white supremacists"??? elias7 Apr 26 #25
One can thank the Soviet Union for that bullshit. Behind the Aegis Apr 27 #47
This has been brought up before. As well as the exact opposite. oldsoftie Apr 27 #61
Ironic that he looks like a wimp Polybius Apr 26 #34
Holy shit. Glad Columbia kicked him out. SunSeeker Apr 26 #37
Naturally. I'm not at all surprised. Oopsie Daisy Apr 26 #14
A plague on both their houses! Ray Bruns Apr 26 #18
He's been expelled from Columbia. Mosby Apr 26 #19
Yay! That guy made me nervous! LeftInTX Apr 26 #21
Said it in January, but they waited until now to kick him out MichMan Apr 26 #24
This x 1000 Ontheboundry Apr 27 #48
Good. nt SunSeeker Apr 26 #28
Ironically, that sentiment is exactly why there are Zionists JoseBalow Apr 26 #20
Platforming an asshole. hay rick Apr 26 #22
Oh, for fuck's sake Warpy Apr 26 #29
"I went through the 60s and 70s" Aussie105 Apr 26 #32
Well Ho did win. Voltaire2 Apr 27 #57
Rec 1000+ Mersky Apr 27 #74
You see my friend, everybody deserves to live: Which is thus the point behind your protest. ColinC Apr 26 #31
Let the professional diplomats handle this one, alright? No room for fools. nt TeamProg Apr 26 #33
Was Khymani James born here? Polybius Apr 26 #35
He's from Boston. Went to HS there. Probably born here. He just hates white people. LeftInTX Apr 26 #36
"I fight to kill" Oneironaut Apr 26 #38
Interesting how this one bastard is getting so much media attention Chakaconcarne Apr 26 #39
I hope not! He was a leader. One bad apple like him can ruin alot of things. I'm glad he's gone. LeftInTX Apr 26 #40
When someone expresses these opinions, they're going to get attention. oldsoftie Apr 27 #62
Yeah.... that is unacceptable. DemocraticPatriot Apr 27 #41
Columbia only acted after this became public. MichMan Apr 27 #46
Excellent point. nt oldsoftie Apr 27 #63
Regular public hangings in Iran for LGBTQ wolfie001 Apr 27 #49
Why is the god of Abraham Old Crank Apr 27 #50
Having fun, perhaps? Testing humanity? Pushing us to transcend? elias7 Apr 27 #66
Another question Old Crank Apr 27 #71
To you and me, these questions are irrelevant elias7 Apr 29 #96
When you say things like that TheFarseer Apr 27 #54
Expel him & keep his tuition. Get a visit from the cops. Welcome to the world, "kid" oldsoftie Apr 27 #55
A lot of that hatefull bullshit going on ... marble falls Apr 27 #64
That happened in Israel. The student we are talking about is African-American and born and raised in the US. LeftInTX Apr 27 #72
Can't get any more American than Jones. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 27 #73
Ooooh. It's not about antisemitism and hate crime from BOTH sides, it's about geography. marble falls Apr 27 #77
He stated that he wanted Zionists to die. There is no evidence that anyone in Israel has ever harmed him. LeftInTX Apr 27 #79
hes been suspended and barred from campus moonshinegnomie Apr 27 #65
So, not expelled. MichMan Apr 27 #68
My hunch is expulsion cant be done that quickly moonshinegnomie Apr 27 #70
That's not very far from bucolic_frolic Apr 27 #76
He says "Zionists." cloudbase Apr 27 #78
They say Israel - they mean Jews AZLD4Candidate Apr 27 #80
"I'm sorry if you damn heathen Zionist Jewish bastards got upset, but you are all murderers or support murderers." AZLD4Candidate Apr 29 #98
Doesn't matter, really. Advocating killing all Zionists is equally repulsive. yardwork Apr 28 #94
I guess I must be naive or something..... DFW Apr 27 #82
Sadly Columbia protected him for several months. He was apparently outed by the Daily Wire LeftInTX Apr 27 #83
I have missed all of that DFW Apr 27 #84
It's in this thread and so is the video LeftInTX Apr 27 #85
Thanks, I went and watched the video. DFW Apr 27 #86
Like too many, he is an entitled twit. yardwork Apr 28 #93
Thankfully, Khymani James has been banned from campus Galraedia Apr 27 #87
So what does "Zionist" really mean to you, Mr. James? Tell me about your childhood. Did you hate your mother? betsuni Apr 29 #97
2. Did killing thousands of Palestinian children destabilize Israel?
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 04:22 PM
Apr 26

Is there a downside to genocide that is counter productive to peace in Palestine?

AZLD4Candidate

(5,793 posts)
51. Those numbers, reported by the UN, are from the Hamas elected Gaza Government, and people believe them
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 06:45 AM
Apr 27

because. . .well, confirmation bias. It confirms what they, and apparently you, believe.

AloeVera

(993 posts)
67. When it turns out to be far higher
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 09:30 AM
Apr 27

After the tens of thousands under rubble or in unmarked or mass graves are counted or their bodies found, others dying from lack of medical care and food/water - I wonder if people will still say it's confirmation bias or the numbers are somehow unreliable? Probably.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,793 posts)
69. So, how many terrorist organizations should we believe to validate confirmation bias?
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 10:40 AM
Apr 27

Hamas uses children and women as human shields - fake news
Hamas reports thousands dead - damn Israel.

I guess we should believe other terrorists like Xi Jinping when he says the CCP doesn't brutalize the people of Xinjiang, Putin who says Ukraine started the war, and Donald Trump when he says the election was stolen.

Oops, those are people the American left hates. But the American left hates Israel, so they believe EVERYTHING that makes Israel look bad even if comes from sources that are known liars.

Confirmation bias. . .my mind is made up, don't confuse me with other information. Just feed me what confirms my beliefs.

Hamas fighters just attacked the humanitarian aid pier according the the DoD. . .I guess they are liars too. Hamas are the only truth tellers. Oct 7 was an Israeli false flag.

Christ, these professional Israel bashers always use the same tactics, then move goalposts when proven wrong or proven they use Hamas information.

Here's the truth! HAMAS ATTACKED ISRAEL ON OCT 7th, the people of Gaza cheered it in the streets, and Israel finally said enough is enough after 75 years of terrorist attack after one killed 1200 people.

FAFO, Hamas. Like the Japanese FAFO after Pearl Harbor. And the Japanese people cheered the attack on Pearl Harbor too.

But keep up with the confirmation bias and forget that Hamas uses hospitals and schools to house their weapons. But that's Israel's fault too.

Demsrule86

(68,715 posts)
91. What has that got to do with protesting and vanalizing colleges in the US...and why
Sun Apr 28, 2024, 03:24 PM
Apr 28

should Jewish Americans be treated as they have been? I detest what Israel has done and I despise Netanyahu. I also detest Hamas and what they have done. This may have been a wag-the-dog thing by Netanyahu. He financed Hamas. However, blaming Biden who is doing what he can and violently protesting in college and other places is not the answer. These kids are also ruining their future lives. You get arrested. It is not like the old days. It will follow you forever.

no_hypocrisy

(46,231 posts)
3. Over the top
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 04:22 PM
Apr 26

You can go as far as Netanyahu and his trigger-happy Army. But leave Zionists out of your abuse.

Voltaire2

(13,213 posts)
6. He apologized.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 05:13 PM
Apr 26

He made the comment in January.


Early Friday morning, Mr. James posted a statement on social media addressing his comments. “What I said was wrong,” he wrote. “Every member of our community deserves to feel safe without qualification.” He noted that he made these comments in January before he become involved with the protest movement and added that the leaders of the student protests did not condone the comments. “I agree with their assessment,” he wrote.

Mr. James did not respond to a request for comment.

SunSeeker

(51,745 posts)
11. Not much of apology, falsely saying, "Zionism is an ideology that necessitates the genocide of the Palestinian people."
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 06:26 PM
Apr 26
https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2024/04/26/cuad-member-issues-apology-for-january-video-in-which-they-said-zionists-dont-deserve-to-live/

Zionism is simply a movement to recreate a Jewish presence in Israel. The name comes from the word “Zion,” which is a Hebrew term that refers to Jerusalem. https://www.history.com/topics/middle-east/zionism

In 2022, the population of Palestinian citizens of Israel amounted to around 1.9 million.  Zionism obviously does not mean the genocide of Palestinians.

LeftInTX

(25,603 posts)
15. He said that while he was apologizing. This is Mel Gibson level.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 08:03 PM
Apr 26

He didn't just "say something dumb" He said stuff for six minutes while he was in a disciplinary inquiry.
I don't believe he is sorry.





"There should not be Zionists or nazis anywhere"
"Be glad, be grateful, them I'm just not out murdering Zionists"
"I hope they kick me out"
"Netanyahu's death would mean that many would live"
"Zionists don't deserve to live"
"Racists don't deserve to live"
"Zionists shouldn't live in this world"
"Nazis, white supremacist, Zionists, these are all the same people, the existence of them and all the projects they have built, ie Israel, are all antithetical to peace, so I feel very comfortable calling for these people to die"

James, who states in the hearing that he goes by “he/she/they” pronouns, live-streamed his meeting with Columbia’s Center for Student Success and Intervention, where he doubled down on an Instagram post that sparked the report. In the report, which he reads aloud at the start of the meeting, James warned Zionists who may want to “meet up and fight” and that he “fights to kill.”

“Do you see why that’s problematic in any way?” a Columbia employee asked James during the hearing, to which he responded: “No.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/zionists-dont-deserve-to-live-meet-the-leader-of-columbia-universitys-anti-israel-encampment

LeftInTX

(25,603 posts)
27. Did you even watch the freak'n video??? He was kicked out of Columbia anyway.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:40 PM
Apr 26

I didn't know it was Ben Shapiro's site.
It was from a link in The Hill that was posted on DU.
I followed every link in the Hill article because I wanted to see for myself if what this guy was saying was true and it led me to the video.

Also the link is in the NY Times article in the OP here.

electric_blue68

(14,956 posts)
44. I'd tend to agree. If I was really mad I say like "fuck them, screw them!", type stuff, NOT...
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 12:32 AM
Apr 27

... "Kill them!". No.

I think I has to be sitting under the conscious level, or said to one's self; for it to be said out loud.

Hideous!

AkFemDem

(1,836 posts)
52. He can piss off with that weak fake BS
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 06:53 AM
Apr 27

He's already out there stoking up more crap and flapping his mouth again.

When people tell you who they are- BELIEVE THEM.

Beastly Boy

(9,504 posts)
53. His excuse:
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 07:10 AM
Apr 27

"He noted that he made these comments in January before he become involved with the protest movement and added that the leaders of the student protests did not condone the comments."

Who are these leaders? Why did they not condone his comments? And how did he become the leader of the protests himself after calling for extermination of an entire national group?

Some on DU might have called it incitement to commit genocide (((if it came from a different source))).

oldsoftie

(12,632 posts)
58. Hardly an apology. And so thats all it takes if you threaten to kill people, huh?
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 07:53 AM
Apr 27

"Oops, my bad. I'm sorry"
NO. he was serious in that statement. Probably another big talker, sure, but today you NEVER KNOW

BaronChocula

(1,607 posts)
7. A recipe for disaster
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 05:18 PM
Apr 26

3 cups childish impulsiveness
4 cups social media instantaneous delivery

I weep for the present.

Shermanator

(38 posts)
42. So you're acquainting
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 12:14 AM
Apr 27

Palestinians with Hamas? You're doing the same thing that student did with his Zionist comments.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,291 posts)
45. Where did I say what you're accusing me of?
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 12:52 AM
Apr 27

Did you just join to stir up trouble? Enjoy your short stay if that's the case.

oldsoftie

(12,632 posts)
60. 70% of Palestinians in Gaza supported the Hamas attack.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 07:58 AM
Apr 27

And they also support the total elimination of Israel.

And its "equating" not "acquainting"

EX500rider

(10,879 posts)
75. So where is the Palestinian Gay Pride parade held? West Bank?
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 03:07 PM
Apr 27

Oh that's right, Israel is the only place in the Middle East with a Gay Pride Parade

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,449 posts)
88. I hope you didn't pull a muscle with that stretch,
Sun Apr 28, 2024, 09:42 AM
Apr 28

because your post is, at the very least, ridiculous, at the most, an outright lie.
Enjoy your stay.

EllieBC

(3,042 posts)
90. Sorry have I missed all the pride parades
Sun Apr 28, 2024, 10:40 AM
Apr 28

in Muslim nations and territories?

Oh there aren’t any outside of Turkey?

oldsoftie

(12,632 posts)
59. Its the "mob mentality". These idiots want to be a part of the "cool" protest of the day
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 07:56 AM
Apr 27

They dont realize they're showing their ignorance & likely affecting their future employment. Because I wouldnt hire ANY of these fools. And a lot of people in hiring positions have started saying the same thing.
Good luck, dipshits

LeftInTX

(25,603 posts)
13. Here is the video. He goes on for over six minutes. Not just one sentence, but goes on.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 07:22 PM
Apr 26



"There should not be Zionists or nazis anywhere"
"Be glad, be grateful, them I'm just not out murdering Zionists"
"I hope they kick me out"
"Netanyahu's death would mean that many would live"
"Zionists don't deserve to live"
"Racists don't deserve to live"
"Zionists shouldn't live in this world"
"Nazis, white supremacist, Zionists, these are all the same people, the existence of them and all the projects they have built, ie Israel, are all antithetical to peace, so I feel very comfortable calling for these people to die"

James, who states in the hearing that he goes by “he/she/they” pronouns, live-streamed his meeting with Columbia’s Center for Student Success and Intervention, where he doubled down on an Instagram post that sparked the report. In the report, which he reads aloud at the start of the meeting, James warned Zionists who may want to “meet up and fight” and that he “fights to kill.”

“Do you see why that’s problematic in any way?” a Columbia employee asked James during the hearing, to which he responded: “No.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/zionists-dont-deserve-to-live-meet-the-leader-of-columbia-universitys-anti-israel-encampment




Why is this person allowed to lead campus group after being questioned?

James also stated he (she/they) wanted to run for congress (I read that somewhere else)

elias7

(4,029 posts)
25. "Zionists are white supremacists"???
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 09:28 PM
Apr 26

This is an absurd meme so confused by floating and mixed cultural references.

oldsoftie

(12,632 posts)
61. This has been brought up before. As well as the exact opposite.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 08:01 AM
Apr 27

If you're a Jew, there's someone on EVERY side that hates you

SunSeeker

(51,745 posts)
37. Holy shit. Glad Columbia kicked him out.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 10:58 PM
Apr 26

Now he can go on his trip to South America that he was blathering on about. What an ego!

Ontheboundry

(91 posts)
48. This x 1000
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 05:09 AM
Apr 27

They only expelled him cuz it got public. He's been saying this for a long time, they knew it, and did nothing

Warpy

(111,374 posts)
29. Oh, for fuck's sake
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 10:01 PM
Apr 26

I went through the 60s and 70s, most of 'em in Boston, a couple in DC. All it took to be a movement leader was to be male and jump up and shout something colossally stupid into a microphone. The mainstream press instantly crowned him a movement leader and tried to get him to say other stupid things to scare suburbia and sell more papers. It wasn't hard.

This guy's jackassery is going to follow him for a very long time. Meanwhile, the quiet people who did most of the organizing of an event dedicated to educating people about what's going on now and what needs to happen in the future have all had enough of these attention hogs but will have a tough time getting rid of them, those words will have smeared them all.

I know because I was there==different war, different rhetoric, same oafs and same gentlemen of the press.

History doesn't actually rpeat but it sure has a hell of a stutter.

Aussie105

(5,444 posts)
32. "I went through the 60s and 70s"
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 10:28 PM
Apr 26

Yep. Me too.

Common around the world at the time, the media needed their moment of sensationalism.

I remember what you describe there, the campus firebrands were declared leaders by the media, and every student on campus was branded with the same extremist/radical media brush.

Most of us were just trying to survive and make sense of the long tedious years of campus life, and had no interest in marching and shouting 'Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh!!" in an anti-Vietnam war rally.

LeftInTX

(25,603 posts)
36. He's from Boston. Went to HS there. Probably born here. He just hates white people.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 10:43 PM
Apr 26

People who talk like that, are almost always US citizens.

Chakaconcarne

(2,466 posts)
39. Interesting how this one bastard is getting so much media attention
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 11:19 PM
Apr 26

I suppose we should think he represents the mindset of every protester?

LeftInTX

(25,603 posts)
40. I hope not! He was a leader. One bad apple like him can ruin alot of things. I'm glad he's gone.
Fri Apr 26, 2024, 11:22 PM
Apr 26

I believe he was the one who said, "Here come the Zionists" and started harassing the Jewish students the other night.
If it was him, he was forcing them to denounce Israel as they walked near the pro-Palestinian protest camp.

oldsoftie

(12,632 posts)
62. When someone expresses these opinions, they're going to get attention.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 08:14 AM
Apr 27

And rightfully so
As for representing the mindset of EVERY protestor, well, I see TONS of signs reading "From the river to the sea", so yeah, he probably is mirroring many.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,431 posts)
41. Yeah.... that is unacceptable.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 12:07 AM
Apr 27

Israel may be "going too far" in Gaza, but some 'pro-Palestinians' are going too far in America...


Such are not helping their cause.

I'm "stuck in the middle with you".

MichMan

(11,995 posts)
46. Columbia only acted after this became public.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 01:28 AM
Apr 27

The comments were made in January and as long as it wasn't getting any outside attention, they apparently did nothing about it. Once the optics made them look bad, they acted to expel him.

Edit: apparently he is banned from campus. Not clear if that means expulsion or not

wolfie001

(2,279 posts)
49. Regular public hangings in Iran for LGBTQ
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 05:15 AM
Apr 27

Iran was the country most responsible for funding and providing assistance to the Oct. 7th attack. The fu%cking irony of this individual. Support Biden and his overtures for peace. Israel isn't going anywhere. Just my take

Old Crank

(3,640 posts)
50. Why is the god of Abraham
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 06:07 AM
Apr 27

Allowing these religions to run rampant with hate???? Especially for each other.

elias7

(4,029 posts)
66. Having fun, perhaps? Testing humanity? Pushing us to transcend?
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 09:19 AM
Apr 27

If you believe in the God as an anthropomorphized personality with intent thing.

Old Crank

(3,640 posts)
71. Another question
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 01:46 PM
Apr 27

I am a nonbeliever.
I've been told that God is all knowing. Know you before birth and so on.
Why does he allow his true believers to be martyred? He supposedly knows these people aren't going to give up. Why is he testing them when he knows the answer.
Why does this same all powerful god allow his faithful to be killed?

None of it makes sense. So wars fought over these branches and twigs make no sense. Unless you realize that it just power lust.

elias7

(4,029 posts)
96. To you and me, these questions are irrelevant
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 08:33 AM
Apr 29

Neither of us give any such agency to a supreme being. You, because you are a non-believer and me because I don’t think about god in this way. I was being somewhat tongue in cheek in my earlier response.

I resonate with Spinoza’s conception of there literally being only one substance (let’s label this “god”) with infinite attributes and extensions, and so the vast (the universe) and the minute (the lives of humans on one planet) are the unfolding of a process or mystery that we will never comprehend (transcendent of our ever knowing) yet is the explanation of my and your existence (imminent, or within us). I resonate hard with Joseph Campbell’s description of the perennial philosophy (progenitor to Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist thought) where with the astronomical observation by the ancients that the 7 visible spheres (sun, moon, mars, mercury, Venus, Saturn and Jupiter) move in a mathematically calculable procession through the fixed backdrop of stars. This implies an impersonal cosmic order, no personality or “God”, but rather an ever unfolding process informed by the energies of the universe that is and will always be a mystery. It is up to us to recognize our oneness with the universe, that we are derived and inseparable from this process, and though it will always be a mystery, we can align with nature, harmonize with the process (as we do follow and live in accordance with such observable cycles such as the rise and fall of the day, the monthlong lunar cycle, the cycle of the seasons and the year, the great eon, etc.).

As the explanation for my existence, yours, Palestinians, Israelis, the New England Patriots, trees, rocks, seas, chemical reactions, the Renaissance, Mars, orbiting moons, spinning galaxies, black holes, worm holes, etc. all derive from the same underlying process that will never be understood by our simplistic minds - this mystery I label as “god” for lack of a better term, and one which has no agency or anthropomorphized concern for the existence of one speck of dust such as myself in one moment (in the face of eternal time) or place (in the face of infinite space), to name but two dimensions.

So, I believe in god insofar as I use this as a label to describe the phenomenon that I believe I exist and think and feel and I believe you do too; that you and I are a tiny manifestation of THE cosmic mystery that informs the energies of the universe. My wife does yoga and the greeting “Satnam”, I believe, means the infinite in me acknowledges the infinite in you, that we are material beings whose bodies will come and go, but for a moment in time (an individual life) carries the energy of the universe from which it was derived.

Probably a bit more than you asked for…

TheFarseer

(9,326 posts)
54. When you say things like that
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 07:13 AM
Apr 27

It puts the focus on what stupid thing you just said rather than your cause. The cause of Palestinian lives is an uphill battle because the media doesn’t even view Palestinians as people. There’s way more concern for stray dogs. We don’t need to also fight these idiotic statements. And, no, it shouldn’t be like that but it is.

oldsoftie

(12,632 posts)
55. Expel him & keep his tuition. Get a visit from the cops. Welcome to the world, "kid"
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 07:44 AM
Apr 27

Any others who take part in disrupting or assaulting others; same thing. Expell them. Keep the tuition.

marble falls

(57,350 posts)
64. A lot of that hatefull bullshit going on ...
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 08:27 AM
Apr 27

Israeli crowds chant racist slogans and taunt Palestinians during contentious Jerusalem march

Some of the youths wore clothing identifying themselves as members of Lehava — a far-right Jewish supremacist group.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-police-jerusalem-march-palestinians-rcna85018

By Associated Press

Thousands of Jewish nationalists, some of them chanting “Death to Arabs” and other racist slogans, paraded on Thursday through the main Palestinian thoroughfare of Jerusalem’s Old City, in an annual display that caused new friction between Jews and Palestinians in the tense city.

The marchers, who were overwhelmingly male Orthodox teens and young men, were celebrating “Jerusalem Day,” which marks Israel’s capture of the Old City 56 years ago. The Palestinians see the event as a provocation. Two years ago, the parade helped fuel an 11-day war between Israel and Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip.

Throughout the afternoon, dozens of groups hoisting blue and white Israeli flags streamed through Damascus Gate — the entry to the area’s Muslim Quarter — as they made their way across the Old City to the Western Wall, the holiest site where Jews can pray. The area is normally bustling on Thursday afternoons with Palestinians doing their errands ahead of the weekend.

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https://www.timesofisrael.com › at-jerusalem-flag-march-chants-of-death-to-arabs-and-assaults-on-palestinians
At Jerusalem Flag March, chants of 'Death to ... - The Times of Israel
May 18, 2023Thousands of Israelis took part in the Jerusalem Flag March on Thursday, with the highly controversial annual event again featuring racist chants and scuffles with Palestinian residents as the ...

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'Death to Arabs' chanted in Jerusalem march - POLITICO
May 29, 202205/29/2022 12:38 PM EDT. JERUSALEM — Thousands of Israeli nationalists, some of them chanting "Death to Arabs," paraded through the heart of the main Palestinian thoroughfare in Jerusalem ...

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Israeli Extremist Group Chants 'Death To Arabs' During Jerusalem ...
But the group's leader is a disciple of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane, who promoted the forced expulsion of Palestinians from the Holy Land. Although police kept the sides apart, Lehava protesters chanted "Death to Arabs" and "Arabs Get Out.". Early Saturday, Gaza militants responded by firing 36 rockets into Israel, the most intense ...

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LeftInTX

(25,603 posts)
72. That happened in Israel. The student we are talking about is African-American and born and raised in the US.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 02:13 PM
Apr 27

I don't think he has ever been to Israel or Palestine.

He just hates "Zionists", yet I doubt he was ever personally threatened by "Zionists" .

His last name is Jones, so I don't think he is Arab or has any connection to Palestinians. He just hates "Zionists".

LeftInTX

(25,603 posts)
79. He stated that he wanted Zionists to die. There is no evidence that anyone in Israel has ever harmed him.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 04:12 PM
Apr 27

Is that OK???

Is it OK for someone in the US to request that an entire group of people die??


He literally says:

"Nazis, white supremacist, Zionists, these are all the same people, the existence of them and all the projects they have built, ie Israel, are all antithetical to peace, so I feel very comfortable calling for these people to die"

He wants people who support Israel to die...(BTW this would be Joe Biden)


Is that OK???

This is hate speech...

Anyone who states they want to wipe out a group of people is engaging in hate speech.

Just because Israel is bombing Gaza to bits and just because many justifiably think it's genocide. It does not justify a retaliation genocide of Israel.

And just because there are bad people in Israel, just wishing for their death is plain old nuts.



When Zionism Becomes a Dirty Word
Since the beginning of the Gaza war, many Jews in Israel and the Diaspora have been shocked by the virulent anti-Zionism - also known as anti-Israelism - that has exploded online. Extending far beyond the legitimate act of critiquing Israel’s wartime decisions, many recent blogs and social media posts have been full of hatred toward Zionism, Zionists and Israel. Because of this, some Israeli and Diaspora Jews feel that what were once friendly online social spaces for them have now become unpleasant, threatening, even unsafe. One woman blogged about how, in order to cope with this, she had “unfriended” many of her Facebook “friends.”

As a result of this online climate, some people have begun asking themselves questions they hadn’t considered before: When did “Zionism” become a dirty word? What do people mean when they say, “I’m not anti-Semitic; I’m just anti-Zionist”? And is this loathing for Israel really just because of the war and the occupation?

These questions are all related. “Zionism” officially became a dirty - or at least a more complicated - word on November 10, 1975, when the United Nations passed Resolution 3379, equating Zionism with racism. (This was a moment I’ll never forget. I was working in a kibbutz henhouse, I’d just finished collecting the eggs, and I was so shocked by what I heard on the radio that I dropped all the eggs on the floor.) Resolution 3379 immediately provided enormous credibility to those wishing to delegitimize Israel. Their group has burgeoned ever since and is now prominently represented in the online world.

As for anti-Zionists claiming to be “just anti-Zionist,” but “not anti-Semitic,” this is nonsensical to anyone who knows what anti-Zionism is. Anti-Zionists are not just critical of Israel’s policies or actions (like the war with Gaza or the occupation); they believe that the State of Israel does not have a right to exist. They oppose Israel’s very existence and survival, yet do not oppose the existence and survival of any other country, including those with human rights records infinitely worse than Israel’s. As Irwin Cotler points out, the fact that Israel - the only Jewish country in the world - is singled out for this condemnation is inherently anti-Semitic.
https://archive.ph/gUnAv#selection-1119.0-1141.430










MichMan

(11,995 posts)
68. So, not expelled.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 09:37 AM
Apr 27

Columbia is probably hoping this will quell any criticism for now, and they will re instate him once people forget about it.

Even though the interview in January was done in a formal interview with college staff, they only suspended him after it became public three months later.

moonshinegnomie

(2,496 posts)
70. My hunch is expulsion cant be done that quickly
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 12:41 PM
Apr 27

he may be entitled to a hearing etc before being expelled,but either way i expect hes done at columbia

AZLD4Candidate

(5,793 posts)
80. They say Israel - they mean Jews
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 04:35 PM
Apr 27

They say global elites - they mean Jews
They say Hollywood elites - they mean Jews
They say East Coast liberals - they mean Jews
They say banksters - they mean Jews
They say shadow governments - they mean Jews
They say behind the scenes power brokers - they mean Jews
They say Wall Street - they mean Jews

We Jews, for being such a small number of people in the world, surely wield immense power. I wish I had some of it.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,793 posts)
98. "I'm sorry if you damn heathen Zionist Jewish bastards got upset, but you are all murderers or support murderers."
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 10:26 AM
Apr 29

Not much of an apology there. More like a CYA non-apology apology because if you were offended or got upset, that's your fault, you damn Jews.

yardwork

(61,715 posts)
94. Doesn't matter, really. Advocating killing all Zionists is equally repulsive.
Sun Apr 28, 2024, 04:15 PM
Apr 28

Are we going to advocate killing all Republicans next? Democracy is based on tolerating peoples' right to hold an opinion we don't like.

We can't go around talking about killing people because we disagree with them. Shame on Columbia for waiting months to deal with this - they had a person ideating and encouraging mass murder on their campus and did nothing!

DFW

(54,447 posts)
82. I guess I must be naive or something.....
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 08:13 PM
Apr 27

But does this come as a surprise to anybody? Did this guy ever express gratitude that "Zionists" weren't "going out" looking to murder him, or did it not occur to him that no one expressed any interest in that?

Maybe someone can get away with that kind of talk at KKK University in Killajew, Alabama, but Columbia is a slightly more cosmopolitain environment.

LeftInTX

(25,603 posts)
83. Sadly Columbia protected him for several months. He was apparently outed by the Daily Wire
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 08:32 PM
Apr 27

He was head of Columbia University Apartheid Divest and Gaza Solidarity Encampment.
He said this months ago and it drew the attention of Columbia admins who scheduled a disciplinary Zoom interview with him.

In the interview he doubled down on his hate speech and went on and on.
Columbia did nothing.

Dufus recorded his interview and posted it on instagram. It was eventually found and posted on Twitter two days ago.

It's now trendy among the left to call those that you don't like "Zionists".

DFW

(54,447 posts)
84. I have missed all of that
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 08:40 PM
Apr 27

When you live and work in Europe, ugly crap like that can pass you by. One of my nephews went to Columbia undergrad, but he then went to Stanford for his grad studies and stayed out there. His younger brother went to Columbia for his Master's Degree in International relations, but that was years ago, too. He has since been stationed in northern Nigeria and is now living in Kyiv. Not that two half-Japanese (my brother's wife is from Japan) guys stand much of a chance of being called "Zionists," even in New York.

DFW

(54,447 posts)
86. Thanks, I went and watched the video.
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 09:00 PM
Apr 27

He obviously doesn't have a low IQ, but he is nonetheless not playing with a full deck.

Someone made a comment earlier upthread about the irony that hardcore Muslim societies would reject him (at best!) for being gay. Most Jews that I know couldn't care less. He doesn't just bite the hand that feeds him, he wants to bite it off at the elbow.

yardwork

(61,715 posts)
93. Like too many, he is an entitled twit.
Sun Apr 28, 2024, 03:59 PM
Apr 28

He's so immature he doesn't have a clue what he's saying. When I watch some of these kids I think about what hell it would be to be their work colleague and have to count on them for anything.

They come across as spoiled brats who've never worked a day in their lives.

Galraedia

(5,027 posts)
87. Thankfully, Khymani James has been banned from campus
Sat Apr 27, 2024, 10:05 PM
Apr 27

I have no problem with people protesting but threatening to kill any person or group of people should never be tolerated.

betsuni

(25,684 posts)
97. So what does "Zionist" really mean to you, Mr. James? Tell me about your childhood. Did you hate your mother?
Mon Apr 29, 2024, 08:44 AM
Apr 29

Was your father emotionally distant? Show me on the doll where a "Zionist" touched you inappropriately. Why the obsession with violence? Let's explore this.

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