Steering wheel. I watched as he blew though the stop sign and didn’t even look up from his texting. I never cross a street anymore without making eye contact with the driver.

We have too many loonie-bugs around here but we're mainly rural. Most drivers up heah tend to be cautious (except those from NJ, MA).

Our other problem is when a pedestrian looks like they "may" start to cross a zebra-stripe, most everybody stops waiting for them to decide....

The city is full of Tesla’s and I am careful walking around the street when i see them.

surprise he's just another asshole grifter.

In total, NHTSA investigated 956 crashes, starting in January 2018 and extending all the way until August 2023. Of those crashes, some of which involved other vehicles striking the Tesla vehicle, 29 people died. There were also 211 crashes in which “the frontal plane of the Tesla struck a vehicle or obstacle in its path.” These crashes, which were often the most severe, resulted in 14 deaths and 49

K AND R FOR ALL TO READ

https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot
Using Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability
Before using Autopilot, read your Owner's Manual for instructions and more safety information. While using Autopilot, it is your responsibility to stay alert, keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times and maintain control of your vehicle. Many of our Autopilot features, like Autosteer, Navigate on Autopilot and Summon, are disabled by default. To enable them, you must go to the Autopilot Controls menu within the Settings tab and turn them on.

Before enabling Autopilot, the driver first needs to agree to “keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times” and to always “maintain control and responsibility for your vehicle.” Subsequently, every time the driver engages Autopilot, they are shown a visual reminder to “keep your hands on the wheel."


I use Autopilot a lot. I never take my hands off the wheel. I stay alert and I am aware of what the car is doing and the traffic situation.

I don't trust the technology completely. I find that I have to disengage Autopilot and FSD sometimes because I don't like the way it's driving the car. I'm using FSD because it was offered by Tesla for free this month. After April 30, 2024, it will be disabled.

My car is the best one I've ever owned, but it's not perfect.

If you have to keep your hands on the wheel and paying attention to what is happening, what is the point of Autopilot?

I have no doubt that vehicles will one day have true self driving capability, and I would love to see that. But this intermediate step seems so dangerous to me. The idea of not actually driving, but paying as much attention as if I was driving seems very difficult to me.

I'm not knocking it for you if you like it - no problem there. But I have to imagine that a sizeable percentage of the users with that feature are not paying attention like you are. I know I would have a hard time doing so.

about over regulation by the NHTSA.

The NHTSA and Tesla agreed on a recall that updated the monitoring software to be more aggressive and strict about driver presence.

There is data missing here. Maybe it is in the article but I doubt it. One needs to understand the total vehicle miles operated using FSD, total vehicle miles using AP (autopilot and FSD are quite different), serious accidents in each category, and the same data for generic cars not using tesla av systems. The generic data is something like 1.33 fatalities per million miles. The relevant Tesla data is what is missing.

Suppose, for example, Tesla FSD has 0.3 fatalities per million miles. Are we still outraged?

For him any fatality of someone else is probably around 0.000002% of his worth. Scratch snuff.

data only look at the same quantity of miles driven, by similar size vehicles, in similar times of the day and geographical areas then you would be able to compare. For example if I look at all miles driven in metro Chicago on city streets, non expressway, and for all types, sizes of vehicles I could get one number for deaths/per "x" miles. But if I look at just the expressway miles in Chicago I'm going to get a different number per "x" miles. Death stats and vehicles are misconstrued all the time and comparisons made that end up being unfair apples and oranges matters. In fact using per mile driven rates can be horrendously misleading unless, as I said, you be very scrupulous about making an apples to apples comparison. Usually it's not done and people just use "overall" figures.

The kind of individualized data needed for these comparisons is difficult to obtain also because of the variances and vague aspects in recording on the scene crash info. But magazines and newspapers print stories using stats improperly all the time on a wide range of things. Bottom line is they need to compare accurately for similar vehicles, similar circumstances etc. in order to say one is more "problematic" or "safer" etc. My gut reaction as a professional driver of many years is that things that have you pay less attention to what is happening as the car is moving are not going to make for a "safer" outcome. Pay attention, keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel has always been good advice.

But a first pass would just look at fatalities per mile. Start there. An article that is about a specific manufacturers vehicle’s safety needs to put that into context, or likely it is just FUD.

when the criteria are different. The problem is we can't get as specific as we need to be because the data necessary to do so isn't recorded that way by the accident investigators. I wish it were that easy.

The reason the per mile comparison fails is that there are vastly more miles traveled by ICE vehicles and vastly larger numbers of them compared to Teslas. Thought of another way the more drivers you have, because of the larger number of cars and the more miles traveled the more opportunity to have crashes. Similarly it is wrong to compare Tesla miles to miles where they are not driven as much as ICE vehicles.

Think of it another way. If we were talking about end use miles per gallon for an ICE vehicle would we say that miles driven in Texas is fair to compare to miles driven in northern Minnesota? Some people would say sure why not? The why not is because in northern Minnesota I only need to run my A/C, decreasing my fuel efficiency, for a tiny fraction of the time compared to Texas or Arizona etc.

Different conditions, different parameters, different results. That's why you match criteria etc. as closely as possible when making comparisons.

TESLA presents a difficult problem for them in a time where the emphasis is on replacing fossil fueled vehicles with EV's. How do you discipline one of the most prominent EV providers without killing the public trend? I'm not arguing for ignoring the responsibility they bear. I'm stating the problem Congress and anyone else has with regard to this. The story line has already impacted TESLA in the US market and continues to plague sales, as it should do.

TESLA management need to get out of denial and sort this out. Currently I don't see them, or Elon, doing the necessary and obvious.

Boards-of-directors, CEOs and other top-level staff.

Won't happen with RW/repuglicon lawmakers but is possible in a fair society.

knows he's protecting himself by being entwined.

deep freezer after it comes out of a scrap crusher. The MAGAS are saying the crashing Tesla sales prove nobody wants EVs. Nobody
wants anything that Elon Musk makes.

Musk needs to address autopilot. Obviously it needs to go until it’s under control.

Didn't they read the fine print?

When their extremely expensive, class-affirming, clean and waxed car is sitting outside the dealer's door, did they read the fine print?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto

But the pinto drivers were not in the same class as the snobby tesla owners.

This is a duplicate of an earlier post.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143231663