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BumRushDaShow

(131,108 posts)
Thu May 16, 2024, 05:12 AM May 16

Maryland parents can't opt kids out of LGBTQ book curriculum, court rules

Source: NBC News/Reuters

May 15, 2024, 7:45 PM EDT / Source: Reuters


A divided federal appeals court on Wednesday rejected a bid by a group of Maryland parents to force a school district to allow them to opt their elementary school children out of being assigned to read books that include LGBTQ characters.

A 2-1 panel of the Richmond, Virginia-based 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals held that the parents had not demonstrated how the Montgomery County Board of Education’s book policy would burden anyone’s rights to freely exercise religion.

The parents’ lawyers at the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty had objected to a curriculum for pre-K and elementary school-aged children that included books that portray gay, transgender and non-binary characters in various situations. The parents, who are Muslims, Christians and Jews, argued alongside the parental rights organization Kids First that by not providing an opt-out option, the board’s policy infringed their religious rights under the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment.

But U.S. Circuit Judge G. Steven Agee, writing for the majority in Wednesday’s opinion, said the record was “threadbare” as to how teachers were actually using the books in their classrooms and what children were being taught from them.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/maryland-parents-cant-opt-kids-lgbtq-book-curriculum-court-rules-rcna152501

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cstanleytech

(26,427 posts)
1. It's not like it's religious texts and parents are still allowed to teach their children to hate others if they want.
Thu May 16, 2024, 06:35 AM
May 16

Novara

(5,918 posts)
2. Gawd forbid we teach the "religious" people to love rather than hate.
Thu May 16, 2024, 06:54 AM
May 16

And these fuckers lament that more and more young people are agnostic or atheist.

Duh. Fucking duh.

NanaCat

(2,089 posts)
6. Agnostic isn't a religious belief
Thu May 16, 2024, 02:51 PM
May 16

Contrary to uninformed assertions claiming that, agnosticism is not some wishy-washy middle ground between atheism and theism. That's not how belief works. It's binary, like being pregnant: You're either a believer in the existence of a deity (theist), or you're not (atheist). There is no middle ground with that.

Agnostics are the people who don't know about the existence--which is not the same thing as believing it. Most atheists are agnostics, as are many theists--eg, casual CofE members, Unitarians, some Reform Jews. Even Richard Dawkins is agnostic about knowing deities exist, by his own admission. He's rather sure that they don't...but not 100%. And that makes him an agnostic.

That's because (a)gnosticism isn't a belief position, but a knowledge position. That's why it's silly to to act as if an agnostic necessarily has different beliefs than an atheist--because they don't, necessarily. In fact, it's rather safe to say that most 'agnostics' are atheists. After all, accepting that you don't know if deities exist is far more compatible with atheism than theism.

Really.

Chi67

(1,096 posts)
3. These people...
Thu May 16, 2024, 09:45 AM
May 16

...are objecting to nothing. This is the same thing as a racist saying "I need an opt out for my kids if a book has black people in it".

This is insane and of course there should be no opt out.

sybylla

(8,577 posts)
4. Now that's a nice win.
Thu May 16, 2024, 12:11 PM
May 16

Getting so sick and tired of the "family values" crowd wanting to force their values on everyone else.

elleng

(131,854 posts)
5. 'said the record was "threadbare" as to how teachers were actually using the books in their classrooms
Thu May 16, 2024, 02:14 PM
May 16

and what children were being taught from them.'

NanaCat

(2,089 posts)
8. That's because they're too stupid to grasp
Thu May 16, 2024, 03:06 PM
May 16

Literary analysis.

They're too stupid to understand that you don't create a rigid curriculum for a particular book, because they don't understand that teachers choose the books for more than one reason, such as character development, thematic elements, symbolism, use of language, and etc. Some teachers are more proficient at teaching about use of language while others are aces at symbolism. Sometime a teacher gets a class that is into the theme, and others focus more on character.

So the 'curriculum' is usually not vague, but less lockstep about what to teach or how, to accommodate all of these different factors.

Igel

(35,443 posts)
9. No, these aren't "literary analysis."
Fri May 17, 2024, 08:36 AM
May 17

They're texts and materials intended specifically to teach about LGTB+ issues and topics, usually to K-6 or K-8.

Note that there's an asymmetry: Some school topics are avoided because they offend, some are chosen because they offend.

Coventina

(27,268 posts)
7. Father Abraham and his sick, sadistic god needs to go away.
Thu May 16, 2024, 03:05 PM
May 16

I don't see Buddhists, Hindus, and Wiccans complaining about their rights being "trampled."

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