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hue

(4,949 posts)
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 08:38 PM Feb 2012

Alzheimer's brain plaques 'rapidly cleared' in mice

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16945466

Destructive plaques found in the brains of Alzheimer's patients have been rapidly cleared by researchers testing a cancer drug on mice.

The US study, published in the journal Science, reported the plaques were broken down at "unprecedented" speed.

Tests also showed an improvement in some brain function.

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Alzheimer's brain plaques 'rapidly cleared' in mice (Original Post) hue Feb 2012 OP
Good news! Hope it's true and that they find a cure before I ever need one. Auntie Bush Feb 2012 #1
this is one cure that is desperately needed greenman3610 Feb 2012 #2
Are you referring to the Republicans? They have been acting pretty crazy lately. libinnyandia Feb 2012 #6
Um.... where do you think they got the plaques from? thecrow Feb 2012 #8
hope you are joking..... gblady Feb 2012 #11
"and do not really think dementia equals crazy..... " greiner3 Feb 2012 #28
If you ever watched a loved one die from Alzheimer's you wouldn't be joking about it. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2012 #29
I've watched 3 zipplewrath Feb 2012 #30
Headed for? caseymoz Feb 2012 #35
Never Happen itssimplestupid Feb 2012 #3
They are also making a mint off the senior dementia living centers. nt TBF Feb 2012 #9
yes Skittles Feb 2012 #16
Unfortunately very very true. They will just say it needs more testing. glinda Feb 2012 #20
And that is just plain evil! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #36
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present yet another sad case of Orrex Feb 2012 #37
Just keep in mind, they've been able to cure cancer in mice for years now justiceischeap Feb 2012 #4
Yeah, hooray for Algernon malakai2 Feb 2012 #14
Never? Really? Duer 157099 Feb 2012 #15
Pediatric cancer has a 75% cure rate mucifer Feb 2012 #19
Wonderful news for people like me that have grandchildren. Rozlee Feb 2012 #31
my sister is breast cancer free for a year... tech_smythe Feb 2012 #22
we need to stop developing drugs for mice.... Evasporque Feb 2012 #32
If there's no way for Big Pharma to make money on this, we'll never get to use it. Ken Burch Feb 2012 #5
k&r Liberal_in_LA Feb 2012 #7
Obama just announced that they were putting a lot more money into Alzheimer's research n2doc Feb 2012 #10
Hope so. Husband has strong possibility of getting it. glinda Feb 2012 #21
We all have a strong possibility of getting it. harun Feb 2012 #27
this is wonderful news! nt Javaman Feb 2012 #12
The great news is this is a drug that is ALREADY on the market Duer 157099 Feb 2012 #13
Here is the actual abstract from the Science paper: Duer 157099 Feb 2012 #17
Oh Wow! They gave the drug orally! Th1onein Feb 2012 #24
Holy crap! sofa king Feb 2012 #34
Prediction: by tomorrow, old folks with money will be on it. McCamy Taylor Feb 2012 #18
But can they get it past the blood/brain barrier? Th1onein Feb 2012 #23
Not to worry. The cure will be too expensive for the 99% lunatica Feb 2012 #25
It's possible to prescribe it now, off-label. I would ask for it mainer Feb 2012 #26
wow, just like how penicillin was discovered - serendipitously. Big K&R. closeupready Feb 2012 #33
I don't think this discovery was that serendipitous actually Duer 157099 Feb 2012 #38

greenman3610

(3,947 posts)
2. this is one cure that is desperately needed
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 08:46 PM
Feb 2012

we are headed for an epidemic of dementia that threatens to overwhelm our health care system.

thecrow

(5,519 posts)
8. Um.... where do you think they got the plaques from?
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 09:56 PM
Feb 2012

Repubs. Yeah. It's true.
I think they need to go back and get the Frothy Mix to donate more.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
28. "and do not really think dementia equals crazy..... "
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 09:00 AM
Feb 2012

While I agree with your conclusion, the medical and legal definition;

insanity n. 1) mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct her/his affairs due to psychosis, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior. Insanity is distinguished from low intelligence or mental deficiency due to age or injury

Does fit the legal part of many states' definition of insanity. As to the medical definition, again, it does fit at least the symptoms of 'insanity.' The NIH suggests there should be further studies and determinations as to whether this should be so considered a mental illness;

"Dementia's departure from mental illness reflects psychiatry's continuing marginalization within medicine on an outdated mind/body or illness/disease split. This underlines one of the psychiatrist's roles as the vehicle to 'medically' explain abnormal behaviour. This model means that behaviour, once explained in terms of disease as opposed to illness, can be moved from the direct responsibility of psychiatry into other areas of medicine. Paradoxically, this suggests that the future of psychiatry will be in a completely different direction from its current biological focus."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11990881

This article is from 2001 and reflects the inclusion of facts within DSM IV. I do not have access as to whether the soon to be released DSM V will so recognize the fact that the two may be related and/or one in the same.

itssimplestupid

(37 posts)
3. Never Happen
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 09:13 PM
Feb 2012

If they actually found a cure, they would keep it off the market so they could continue selling drugs to "treat" the disease for billion after billion.

Curing diseases is a non starter.....

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
36. And that is just plain evil!
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 02:23 PM
Feb 2012
Curing diseases is a non starter.....

Worse yet, finding an actual cure and hiding it in order to 'treat' for profit

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
4. Just keep in mind, they've been able to cure cancer in mice for years now
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 09:23 PM
Feb 2012

but it's never carried over to humans... I hope that this leads to something useful for people, not just the poor mice they're giving these dreadful diseases to.

malakai2

(508 posts)
14. Yeah, hooray for Algernon
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 10:42 PM
Feb 2012

I like seeing these sorts of things but the excitement does not even start until the human clinical trials are underway.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
15. Never? Really?
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 10:47 PM
Feb 2012

Then why are some cancers considered curable? I can't name the specific ones, but I do know that some people claim to "be cancer-free" for x number of years.

Surely that came about as a result of research that was done on mice, no?

Not all cancer is the same. Some are difficult if not impossible to "cure" but that doesn't mean all are.

mucifer

(23,630 posts)
19. Pediatric cancer has a 75% cure rate
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 11:15 PM
Feb 2012
http://jpepsy.oxfordjournals.org/content/30/1/1.full

Yes, there are long term side effects. But, the treatments are getting better.

It used to be almost all kids with cancer died.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
31. Wonderful news for people like me that have grandchildren.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 11:15 AM
Feb 2012

But, like some of the posters above have said, the medical industrial complex is going to extract their pound of flesh. A mother recently told Santorum that her child had a rare genetic illness that was being treated with a drug that costs a million dollars a year. Santorum praised the pharmacological industry, saying they had a right to set prices according to market forces. Just what you'd expect from the callous bastard. But, a million dollars a year? I'm trying to understand their rationale. They find a cure for cancers and other terminal illnesses, which will cut off their drugs to extend their lives, so they figure the drugs that will cure their illnesses should be as financially exorbitant as possible. Remember the horse pills veterinarians used to kill worms that only costs $3 each, then skyrocketed to over hundreds of dollars after it was discovered that it was effective for some kind of human illness? What was it? Anyone?

 

tech_smythe

(190 posts)
22. my sister is breast cancer free for a year...
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 01:49 AM
Feb 2012

doesn't mean it can't come back.
cancer is, for the most part, nature's way of killing us off.
it's a genetic defect built into nearly all of us.
thats the problem with cancer... we're meant to get it.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
5. If there's no way for Big Pharma to make money on this, we'll never get to use it.
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 09:26 PM
Feb 2012

To repurpose John Steinbeck's immortal passage from "The Grapes of Wrath" about the deliberate spoilage of crops while children were starving in the name of keeping up food prices)

"And people, losing their memories, spirit, and identity to Alzheimer's, must die mentally while their bodies still live...because a profit cannot be taken from a medication".

I'd really like to be wrong...I'd like to see Big Pharma do what was right just ONCE...but it looks to me like this will end up being yet another division along class lines.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
10. Obama just announced that they were putting a lot more money into Alzheimer's research
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 10:08 PM
Feb 2012

I wonder if this is the reason. He said there were a lot of really promising leads.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
13. The great news is this is a drug that is ALREADY on the market
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 10:41 PM
Feb 2012

So it has already cleared the human safety trials. That's HUGE.

The speed with which this drug has had an effect on mice is absolutely astounding, not hyperbole at all, it is remarkable.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
17. Here is the actual abstract from the Science paper:
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 10:53 PM
Feb 2012

Alzheimer's disease is associated with impaired clearance of ?-amyloid from the brain, a process normally facilitated by apolipoprotein E (ApoE). ApoE expression is transcriptionally induced through the action of the nuclear receptors peroxisome proliferator activated receptor (PPAR? and liver X receptors (LXR) in coordination with retinoid X receptors (RXR). Oral administration of the RXR agonist, bexarotene, to a murine model of Alzheimer's disease resulted in enhanced clearance of soluble A? within hours in an apoE-dependent manner. A? plaque area was reduced >50% within just 72 hours. Furthermore, bexarotene stimulated the rapid reversal of cognitive, social, and olfactory deficits and improved neural circuit function. Thus, RXR activation stimulates physiological A? clearance mechanisms, resulting in the very rapid reversal of a broad range of A?-induced deficits.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
24. Oh Wow! They gave the drug orally!
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 07:46 AM
Feb 2012

This is wonderful news! And, as someone said earlier: this drug is already on the market. If I were an Alzheimer's patient or caregiver, I'd be asking my doctor for this drug.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
34. Holy crap!
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 02:13 PM
Feb 2012

There's no stopping human trials now. I'll bet there has already been a run on the available stock of it.

Man, I hope it works.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
23. But can they get it past the blood/brain barrier?
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 07:41 AM
Feb 2012

I'm assuming they did just this in the mice. They probably did it by infusing the drug, but the question then remains: how often do they need to use the drug to maintain the effect? No one wants to walk around being continuously infused.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
25. Not to worry. The cure will be too expensive for the 99%
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 08:14 AM
Feb 2012

If they can't tell us we have a pre-existing condition anymore they'll just price it out of our range. Where there's a will and money, there's always a way...

mainer

(12,037 posts)
26. It's possible to prescribe it now, off-label. I would ask for it
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 08:31 AM
Feb 2012

if I had Alzheimer's.

I suspect doctors are already doing it if patients who insist.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
38. I don't think this discovery was that serendipitous actually
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 03:54 PM
Feb 2012

The drug, while being a cancer drug, is also used to study cholesterol metabolism via the ApoE gene. The ApoE gene is highly involved in Alzheimer's disease, so it wasn't just random chance that they chose this drug to use on this particular animal model of AD.

When I first read the headlines I also thought it must have been some sort of random luck, but it makes logical scientific sense.

In fact, here's a link to a paper discussing the use of this drug for cholesterol study. It would be really interesting if this drug not only helps AD but prevents atherosclerosis as well!

The RXR Agonist Bexarotene Improves Cholesterol Homeostasis and Inhibits Atherosclerosis Progression in a Mouse Model of Mixed Dyslipidemia

Objective— The activity of the antitumoral agent bexarotene (Targretin, Bexarotene) depends on its binding to the nuclear retinoid-X receptor (RXR) and subsequent transcriptional regulation of target genes. Through RXR activation, bexarotene may modulate numerous metabolic pathways involved in atherosclerosis. Here, we investigated the effect of bexarotene on atherosclerosis progression in a dyslipidemic murine model, the human apolipoprotein E2 knockin mouse, that develops essentially macrophage-laden lesions.

http://atvb.ahajournals.org/content/26/12/2731.long

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