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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 08:49 AM Dec 2013

TV: 70 Navy sailors in new Fukushima lawsuit - They rode right into plume, could be thousands more

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Source: FOX 5 San Diego

Mike Seabourn, in charge of decontaminating aircraft: It hit me like a ton of bricks. I could be at about 60% power through the right side of my body — that’s arms, legs, everything.

Jaime Chambers, FOX5 San Diego: Seabourn believes he is just one of potentially thousands of US sailors who’ve been exposed to serious radiation contamination after working near the Fukushima disaster zone ... but his true concern lies with the sailors who were aboard the USS Ronald Reagan.

Seabourn: They rode write into the plume and it contaminated the entire ship. And then their water was contaminated and they drank out of that ...

<snip>

Seabourn: You could call 1 or 2 a coincidence, but 50-60 people in their 20s off one ship? That’s a little bit too much to… ... I want the people on the Reagan taken care of that are dealing with really big issues right now. ...

Chambers: The original lawsuit was dismissed because of confusion over jurisdictional issues but now lawyers say they have retooled their lawsuit and plan to file again January 6.

<snip>

Watch the broadcast here

Read more: http://enenews.com/tv-70-navy-sailors-apart-of-new-fukushima-lawsuit-could-be-thousands-more-who-were-seriously-exposed-1-or-2-getting-sick-could-be-a-coincidence-but-50-60-people-in-their-20s-off-one-ship-vi

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TV: 70 Navy sailors in new Fukushima lawsuit - They rode right into plume, could be thousands more (Original Post) bananas Dec 2013 OP
This is definitely worth watching. nt bananas Dec 2013 #1
Entire west coast billhicks76 Dec 2013 #12
Fuk it. Fuk it all to hell. Berlum Dec 2013 #2
I'm glad this story is picking up media attention. FarPoint Dec 2013 #3
Local San Diego news has been covering it bananas Dec 2013 #7
How anyone could use the words "nuclear" and "safe" in the same document Swede Atlanta Dec 2013 #4
Who is the defendent in the lawsuit ? dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #5
Tepco and the government of Japan I believe kristopher Dec 2013 #9
If the US says a lawsuit cannot be raised against a foreign government, dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #18
I think you might need a better basis for that conclusion. kristopher Dec 2013 #19
oh dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #21
Perhaps that's the problem with the original lawsuit. kristopher Dec 2013 #22
one of my nieces had a shiny new husband on one of those ships. mopinko Dec 2013 #6
Guinea Pigs for War Inc. Octafish Dec 2013 #8
As the World Turns, Now Japans Nuclear problem could circle the globe in your lifetime! mitty14u2 Dec 2013 #10
how in the world heaven05 Dec 2013 #11
U.S. wasn't fully prepared for radiation risks following Japan earthquake, top general says bananas Dec 2013 #14
Not very re-assuring Kelvin Mace Dec 2013 #23
Sailors were told to stop using desalinated water because it was contaminated bananas Dec 2013 #15
ten-four on that heaven05 Dec 2013 #16
I don't think that's it. kristopher Dec 2013 #24
I....hope....not heaven05 Dec 2013 #25
I worked in Air Force command posts kristopher Dec 2013 #26
Don't eat anything from the ocean. JEB Dec 2013 #13
Don't join the military. Don't get used and discarded. Don't be a pawn in their bull shit wars. L0oniX Dec 2013 #17
Am I the only one to see the irony Kelvin Mace Dec 2013 #20
this is how our government supports the troops yurbud Dec 2013 #27
Truly horrible! In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #28
Locking - duplicate muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #29

bananas

(27,509 posts)
1. This is definitely worth watching. nt
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 08:57 AM
Dec 2013
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
12. Entire west coast
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:46 AM
Dec 2013

Its really very simple...atmospheric readings are ok and mean nothing....mostly up 20000 feet. But that radiation attaches to precipitation and deluges wherever it lands. Oregon, Washington and BC. Not good.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
2. Fuk it. Fuk it all to hell.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:09 AM
Dec 2013

Eternally toxic nukes are like unto the Republicons of the energy world.

FarPoint

(12,561 posts)
3. I'm glad this story is picking up media attention.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:13 AM
Dec 2013

It seems to of been ignored here in the states. All Jazeera actually started the story. Hope it reaches national attention. It probably will once GOP' ERS find a way to attach Obama to the tragedy.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
7. Local San Diego news has been covering it
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:03 AM
Dec 2013

probably because the lawsuit is happening here.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
4. How anyone could use the words "nuclear" and "safe" in the same document
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:30 AM
Dec 2013

let alone the same sentence is beyond me.

The fact that the material that goes in is known to cause cancer and the fact that what comes out is really going to cause cancer and death unless properly contained should be our first clue that this is NOT a method for generating energy.

I recognize that nuclear reactors are what power submarines and some other instruments of "peace" and they are used on spacecraft. There may be some limited situations where the risks, although significant, can be justified.

Energy from a fusion reactor would be clean but the technological challenges in containing the reaction are significant.

Until then we should not be relying on nuclear energy, period. We should be investing in renewables. Nuclear energy is not clean, safe or renewable.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
5. Who is the defendent in the lawsuit ?
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:35 AM
Dec 2013

.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
9. Tepco and the government of Japan I believe
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:08 AM
Dec 2013

The original lawsuit alleged a conspiracy to suppress vital information and had to be revised to eliminate the conspiracy angle.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
18. If the US says a lawsuit cannot be raised against a foreign government,
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:52 PM
Dec 2013

Saudi in recent news , then one couldn't be raised against the Japanese government either.

I could understand a suit against against their employer - the US government who owed them a duty of care.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
19. I think you might need a better basis for that conclusion.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:58 PM
Dec 2013

Especially since the court told them to refile. If there was no avenue, that suggestion isn't likely to have been made.

Edited to add: It's damned hard for service members to sue the government.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
21. oh
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:07 PM
Dec 2013

In general :

Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Sovereign_Immunities_Act

But only today, 20th :

US restores Saudi Arabia in 9/11 lawsuit.

New York - A US appeals court reinstated Saudi Arabia as a defendant Thursday in lawsuits claiming it had provided support to al-Qaida prior to the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks.

A three-judge panel of the 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals said restoring Saudi Arabia was necessary to be consistent with a ruling by a different 2nd Circuit panel that allowed another lawsuit to go forward in which a man sued Afghanistan and other defendants for the death of his wife in the attacks.

The 2nd Circuit and a lower court had previously ruled that Saudi Arabia was protected by sovereign immunity, which generally means that foreign countries can't be sued in American courts.

But in its latest ruling, the 2nd Circuit said a legal exception existed that would allow Saudi Arabia to remain as a defendant, just as Afghanistan remained in the similar case.

http://www.news24.com/World/News/US-restores-Saudi-Arabia-in-911-lawsuit-20131220

Have to see what happens if today's ruling gets overidden.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
22. Perhaps that's the problem with the original lawsuit.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:11 PM
Dec 2013

The first suit included the GoJ and TEPCO; maybe they dropped GoJ.

mopinko

(70,634 posts)
6. one of my nieces had a shiny new husband on one of those ships.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:47 AM
Dec 2013

i think it was the raygun. he was there for quite a while.
she and the baby did come home shortly afterward, but i think may have gone back.

of all the shitty employers on the planet, the u.s. armed services has got to be the worst.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. Guinea Pigs for War Inc.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:04 AM
Dec 2013

mitty14u2

(1,015 posts)
10. As the World Turns, Now Japans Nuclear problem could circle the globe in your lifetime!
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:32 AM
Dec 2013

The Fukushima Nightmare Gets Worse: here.

Related articles

Water leaks at Fukushima nuclear plant could contaminate entire Pacific Ocean (theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com)

Fukushima leaks: Japan PM steps in (theguardian.com)

300 Tons a Day of Nuclear Waste (grumpyelder.com)

Water leaks at Fukushima could contaminate entire Pacific Ocean (rt.com)

Fukushima Going From Horrible To Horrendous (dprogram.net)

Small risk of major fish contamination from Fukushima leak
(radioaustralia.net.au)

Radioactive water leaking into Pacific Ocean in new Fukushima ‘emergency’ (abc.net.au)

Toxic water detected in newly built well at Fukushima nuclear plant (japantimes.co.jp)

Radioactive water overruns Fukushima barrier – TEPCO (realisticbird.wordpress.com)

“Japan Gov’t in Chaos”: Completely out of control at Fukushima – Melted reactor cores contaminating Pacific with “full range of radioactive contaminants” (VIDEO) (enenews.com)


http://dearkitty1.wordpress.com/2013/08/10/fukushima-nuclear-polluition-of-pacific-ocean/

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
11. how in the world
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:35 AM
Dec 2013

could an intelligent person allow a ship(s) and personnel into a nuclear disaster site without adequate protection? I just can't fathom the incompetence. I just can't. This is on par with depleted uranium rounds(AMMUNITION)being used by our forces in the middle east, I think. Or have all those cancers and deformed babies been 'scientifically' debunked. Is it they just don't care about our armed forces personnel on a personal level? They're just so many sheep(pawns)to be used up like toilet paper?

bananas

(27,509 posts)
14. U.S. wasn't fully prepared for radiation risks following Japan earthquake, top general says
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:03 PM
Dec 2013
http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/earthquake-disaster-in-japan/u-s-wasn-t-fully-prepared-for-radiation-risks-following-japan-earthquake-top-general-says-1.150236

U.S. wasn't fully prepared for radiation risks following Japan earthquake, top general says
By Seth Robson
Stars and Stripes
Published: July 27, 2011

In the first few days of Japan’s nuclear crisis this spring, the U.S. military wasn’t fully prepared to deal with possible radiation exposure to its troops and equipment, the top U.S. general in Japan said Wednesday.

<snip>

“As the (Fukushima Dai-ichi) reactors exploded and they sent some of that radiation out, we had the issue with it being detected off shore by the Navy,” he said. “We had to start dealing with the kind of environment that the U.S. military had not really worked in, so we didn’t have the strictest guidelines on what kind of risk we would take in terms of radiation exposure for our (service) members.”

Servicemembers didn’t initially know what kind of contamination procedures they would have to use for equipment that was going to be exposed to the radiation, he said.

“We had really no idea of the level which that contamination was going to rise to and the radiation was going to rise to,” he said. “The impact it was going to have in the short or long term was uncertain.”

<snip>


edit to add: via http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/271-38/21022-us-navy-sailors-sue-tepco-over-cluster-fukushima-snafu which has a bunch of links like that.

(had to edit again, used wrong link the first time)

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
23. Not very re-assuring
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:17 PM
Dec 2013
Servicemembers didn’t initially know what kind of contamination procedures they would have to use for equipment that was going to be exposed to the radiation, he said.

This was the crew of a NUCLEAR aircraft carrier.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
15. Sailors were told to stop using desalinated water because it was contaminated
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:06 PM
Dec 2013
http://www.stripes.com/in-growing-lawsuit-servicemembers-fault-tepco-for-radiation-related-illnesses-1.230512

In growing lawsuit, servicemembers fault TEPCO for radiation-related illnesses
By Matthew M. Burke
Stars and Stripes
Published: July 15, 2013

<snip>

Sailors were drinking desalinated seawater and bathing in it until the ship’s leadership came over the public address system and told them to stop because it was contaminated, Hair said. They were told the ventilation system was contaminated, and he claims he was pressured into signing a form that said he had been given an iodine pill even though none had been provided. As a low-ranking sailor, he believed he had no choice.

<snip>


 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
16. ten-four on that
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:22 PM
Dec 2013

reminds me of the soldiers standing out in the open during nuclear detonations in the 50's. Same thing to me except there are many years of information(data) concerning radiation and it's effects upon people, water, ships(remember Bimini tests). No excuse. When will accountability be taken seriously. I hope this lawsuit helps the 'victims'.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
24. I don't think that's it.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:26 PM
Dec 2013

I don't think they expected to have to deal with a release headed their way. The Japanese were playing it very close to the vest, and they were more interested in preserving the reputation of their nuclear industry than the accurate and free flow of information to affected parties. We know they had a forecasting system (SPEEDI) that predicted high levels of exposure to the villages NW of the plant and they did not release the information until months later. So its not unreasonable to infer that their communications that might have informed actions of the ship's captain were likewise subject to being censored.

I don't for a second think the Captain disregarded the welfare of his crew in the manner you suggest.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
25. I....hope....not
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:30 PM
Dec 2013

but as a vet......I wonder.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
26. I worked in Air Force command posts
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:38 PM
Dec 2013

That means I was able to observe the commanders up close and personal 24/7 in a way few other positions offer the opportunity to do.

The worst of the lot I encountered was a total ass* who would sell his mother for an attaboy from a higher-up; but even he wouldn't knowingly put his people in harms way for no reason. There is simply nothing in it for them to ignore the knowledge if they were in possession of it.

*BTW, when that O-6 went to SHAPE in Europe, I was heard from a grinning noncom that all of his household goods went to some shit-hole soon to be abandoned post in Africa.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
13. Don't eat anything from the ocean.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:59 AM
Dec 2013

Between the oil in the gulf and now radiation in the Pacific shrimp, clams, crabs, and further up the food chain fishes are not safe.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
17. Don't join the military. Don't get used and discarded. Don't be a pawn in their bull shit wars.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:38 PM
Dec 2013

Make them draft people if they want war and a world police state.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
20. Am I the only one to see the irony
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:05 PM
Dec 2013

of massive radiation contamination of a ship named after a president who thought radiation was no big deal?

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
27. this is how our government supports the troops
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:40 PM
Dec 2013

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
28. Truly horrible!
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:52 PM
Dec 2013

muriel_volestrangler

(101,527 posts)
29. Locking - duplicate
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:57 PM
Dec 2013

of http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014674608 .

The original lawsuit was dismissed Nov 26th - see http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/dec/17/reagan-radiation-lawsuit-dismissed-tomodachi/ . So this report is about the same plan to bring a new one as reported on Dec 17th in the earlier thread.

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