TV: 70 Navy sailors in new Fukushima lawsuit - They rode right into plume, could be thousands more
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Source: FOX 5 San Diego
Mike Seabourn, in charge of decontaminating aircraft: It hit me like a ton of bricks. I could be at about 60% power through the right side of my body thats arms, legs, everything.
Jaime Chambers, FOX5 San Diego: Seabourn believes he is just one of potentially thousands of US sailors whove been exposed to serious radiation contamination after working near the Fukushima disaster zone ... but his true concern lies with the sailors who were aboard the USS Ronald Reagan.
Seabourn: They rode write into the plume and it contaminated the entire ship. And then their water was contaminated and they drank out of that ...
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Seabourn: You could call 1 or 2 a coincidence, but 50-60 people in their 20s off one ship? Thats a little bit too much to
... I want the people on the Reagan taken care of that are dealing with really big issues right now. ...
Chambers: The original lawsuit was dismissed because of confusion over jurisdictional issues but now lawyers say they have retooled their lawsuit and plan to file again January 6.
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bananas
(27,509 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Its really very simple...atmospheric readings are ok and mean nothing....mostly up 20000 feet. But that radiation attaches to precipitation and deluges wherever it lands. Oregon, Washington and BC. Not good.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Eternally toxic nukes are like unto the Republicons of the energy world.
FarPoint
(12,561 posts)It seems to of been ignored here in the states. All Jazeera actually started the story. Hope it reaches national attention. It probably will once GOP' ERS find a way to attach Obama to the tragedy.
bananas
(27,509 posts)probably because the lawsuit is happening here.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)let alone the same sentence is beyond me.
The fact that the material that goes in is known to cause cancer and the fact that what comes out is really going to cause cancer and death unless properly contained should be our first clue that this is NOT a method for generating energy.
I recognize that nuclear reactors are what power submarines and some other instruments of "peace" and they are used on spacecraft. There may be some limited situations where the risks, although significant, can be justified.
Energy from a fusion reactor would be clean but the technological challenges in containing the reaction are significant.
Until then we should not be relying on nuclear energy, period. We should be investing in renewables. Nuclear energy is not clean, safe or renewable.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts).
kristopher
(29,798 posts)The original lawsuit alleged a conspiracy to suppress vital information and had to be revised to eliminate the conspiracy angle.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Saudi in recent news , then one couldn't be raised against the Japanese government either.
I could understand a suit against against their employer - the US government who owed them a duty of care.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Especially since the court told them to refile. If there was no avenue, that suggestion isn't likely to have been made.
Edited to add: It's damned hard for service members to sue the government.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)In general :
Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Sovereign_Immunities_Act
But only today, 20th :
US restores Saudi Arabia in 9/11 lawsuit.
New York - A US appeals court reinstated Saudi Arabia as a defendant Thursday in lawsuits claiming it had provided support to al-Qaida prior to the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks.
A three-judge panel of the 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals said restoring Saudi Arabia was necessary to be consistent with a ruling by a different 2nd Circuit panel that allowed another lawsuit to go forward in which a man sued Afghanistan and other defendants for the death of his wife in the attacks.
The 2nd Circuit and a lower court had previously ruled that Saudi Arabia was protected by sovereign immunity, which generally means that foreign countries can't be sued in American courts.
But in its latest ruling, the 2nd Circuit said a legal exception existed that would allow Saudi Arabia to remain as a defendant, just as Afghanistan remained in the similar case.
http://www.news24.com/World/News/US-restores-Saudi-Arabia-in-911-lawsuit-20131220
Have to see what happens if today's ruling gets overidden.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)The first suit included the GoJ and TEPCO; maybe they dropped GoJ.
mopinko
(70,634 posts)i think it was the raygun. he was there for quite a while.
she and the baby did come home shortly afterward, but i think may have gone back.
of all the shitty employers on the planet, the u.s. armed services has got to be the worst.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Nuttin' new, sad to say.
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mitty14u2
(1,015 posts)The Fukushima Nightmare Gets Worse: here.
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heaven05
(18,124 posts)could an intelligent person allow a ship(s) and personnel into a nuclear disaster site without adequate protection? I just can't fathom the incompetence. I just can't. This is on par with depleted uranium rounds(AMMUNITION)being used by our forces in the middle east, I think. Or have all those cancers and deformed babies been 'scientifically' debunked. Is it they just don't care about our armed forces personnel on a personal level? They're just so many sheep(pawns)to be used up like toilet paper?
bananas
(27,509 posts)U.S. wasn't fully prepared for radiation risks following Japan earthquake, top general says
By Seth Robson
Stars and Stripes
Published: July 27, 2011
In the first few days of Japans nuclear crisis this spring, the U.S. military wasnt fully prepared to deal with possible radiation exposure to its troops and equipment, the top U.S. general in Japan said Wednesday.
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As the (Fukushima Dai-ichi) reactors exploded and they sent some of that radiation out, we had the issue with it being detected off shore by the Navy, he said. We had to start dealing with the kind of environment that the U.S. military had not really worked in, so we didnt have the strictest guidelines on what kind of risk we would take in terms of radiation exposure for our (service) members.
Servicemembers didnt initially know what kind of contamination procedures they would have to use for equipment that was going to be exposed to the radiation, he said.
We had really no idea of the level which that contamination was going to rise to and the radiation was going to rise to, he said. The impact it was going to have in the short or long term was uncertain.
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edit to add: via http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/271-38/21022-us-navy-sailors-sue-tepco-over-cluster-fukushima-snafu which has a bunch of links like that.
(had to edit again, used wrong link the first time)
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)This was the crew of a NUCLEAR aircraft carrier.
bananas
(27,509 posts)In growing lawsuit, servicemembers fault TEPCO for radiation-related illnesses
By Matthew M. Burke
Stars and Stripes
Published: July 15, 2013
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Sailors were drinking desalinated seawater and bathing in it until the ships leadership came over the public address system and told them to stop because it was contaminated, Hair said. They were told the ventilation system was contaminated, and he claims he was pressured into signing a form that said he had been given an iodine pill even though none had been provided. As a low-ranking sailor, he believed he had no choice.
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heaven05
(18,124 posts)reminds me of the soldiers standing out in the open during nuclear detonations in the 50's. Same thing to me except there are many years of information(data) concerning radiation and it's effects upon people, water, ships(remember Bimini tests). No excuse. When will accountability be taken seriously. I hope this lawsuit helps the 'victims'.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)I don't think they expected to have to deal with a release headed their way. The Japanese were playing it very close to the vest, and they were more interested in preserving the reputation of their nuclear industry than the accurate and free flow of information to affected parties. We know they had a forecasting system (SPEEDI) that predicted high levels of exposure to the villages NW of the plant and they did not release the information until months later. So its not unreasonable to infer that their communications that might have informed actions of the ship's captain were likewise subject to being censored.
I don't for a second think the Captain disregarded the welfare of his crew in the manner you suggest.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)but as a vet......I wonder.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)That means I was able to observe the commanders up close and personal 24/7 in a way few other positions offer the opportunity to do.
The worst of the lot I encountered was a total ass* who would sell his mother for an attaboy from a higher-up; but even he wouldn't knowingly put his people in harms way for no reason. There is simply nothing in it for them to ignore the knowledge if they were in possession of it.
*BTW, when that O-6 went to SHAPE in Europe, I was heard from a grinning noncom that all of his household goods went to some shit-hole soon to be abandoned post in Africa.
JEB
(4,748 posts)Between the oil in the gulf and now radiation in the Pacific shrimp, clams, crabs, and further up the food chain fishes are not safe.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Make them draft people if they want war and a world police state.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)of massive radiation contamination of a ship named after a president who thought radiation was no big deal?
yurbud
(39,405 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,527 posts)of http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014674608 .
The original lawsuit was dismissed Nov 26th - see http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/dec/17/reagan-radiation-lawsuit-dismissed-tomodachi/ . So this report is about the same plan to bring a new one as reported on Dec 17th in the earlier thread.