I do get tired of smokers justifying their smoking. What they don't get is how polite I am being when I don't make it abundantly clear that I can easily tell when they've gone outside to have a cigarette, because they reek when they come back inside. Gross. Yuck.

Inconsiderate assholes. And then they throw their butt on the ground because they are too important to dispose of it properly. Jerks.

I've found (from experience) you gotta comment like you're walking on eggshells.
Otherwise, this happens.

The only reason why I was pretty sure your post was a parody was because I've seen your comments about smoking before... I don't smoke and I hope less people start smoking and I even support some of the smoking bans, but I swear it seems like many anti-smokers have other motives than to protect the non-smoking public health.

are likely pill poppers and boozers who make themselves feel better by prejudicing smokers. So if this makes them feel better than others, so be it.

I know this is anecdotal, but I am strongly against any smoking in public but I am not a boozer and I do not pop pills. And I have friends in the same situation. Your comment about people like me is a cheap shot IMO.

those pissing and moaning have their vices also. As far as smoking outside, so what. Get a life moaners. So they 'reek' when they come back in, none of your business oh so holier than thou!

I have no real problem with restricting smoking to designated areas (outdoor or indoor) but this back-door Prohibition shit is not okay with me. Prohibition didn't work with alcohol and it won't work with nicotine either!

I got a BIG DOSE of that last Friday.

I had the day off and went to one of my favorite restaurants for lunch. I was seated in a booth next to two diners, one who was talking on his cell phone. It wasn't so much the call itself but that this dolt was conducting business like he was at the office. His calls were long and loud, much louder than normal restaurant conversation. He rarely spoke to his lunch mate.

When I go out to eat, I don't want to hear about orders and numbers and contracts and dates of delivery, etc., and verifications of orders, numbers, contracts, and dates of delivery, etc., at three times the volume of casual conversation.

Just leave the business of business at the office and leave the rest of us to dine in peace.

I'd rather be around a dozen smokers than someone who wears perfume. Gag. It gives me a headache.

Take the word smoking in your posts and switch it out for anything else see exactly what you are doing.

Try using liberals, or blacks.

You were dehumanizing a group of people because of who they are and or what they do, and that's the first step down a slippery slope.

Just because you don't smoke, doesn't mean that other people should be forced not to, just to make your world more to your liking.

I don't harm others by being a liberal...OK maybe except for shuddering freepers.

But smokers harm other people's respiratory health besides their own.

Sheesh. Smoking threads bring out so many fucking annoying fallacies.

I'm tired of smelling your car exhaust and it's bad for my health, so knock it off and quit driving.

The goal of these people is to eventually outlaw smoking in the privacy of your own home, all smoking.

Personally I don't give a shit. Shoot heroin into your eyeballs for all I care. I just don't want to look at your litter and smell your smoke.

do not work. Yes in that case it was alcohol that they tried to prohibit but the same dynamic would apply if we tried to ban tobacco outright. But banning smoking in enclosed vehicles with children present is a different matter. No adult should have the right to pollute the lungs of innocent children.

and most of my family of that generation....

What?....Count Me In

Smoke in your own private space.



And throwing cigarette butts on the ground should be an automatic 500 dollar fine.

I don't really care about smoking (or smokers) one way or the other, but as a matter of pure practicality, there has to be some designated smoking area closer to one's workplace. Like it or not...

If not, though luck. If you make the choice to be a smoker that's on you. Smokers are not a protected class.

My employer isn't likely to provide me a designated drinking area if I happen to be a habitual user of alcohol, or a designated masturbation area if I happen to have a porn habit.

Why should a company be expected to provide smokers extra rights and privileges?

a person starts their car, maybe a 1000 dollar fine? Doing more damage to us and our planet than a cigarette.

And it's also being addressed via legislation.

I guess we shouldn't worry about any problem if there is another problem that is worse. What a great way to run things.

You think you are being considerate because you go outside to smoke. You honestly have no idea how much you reek when you come back inside. Trust me, I'm the considerate one when I don't overtly react to how awful you smell.

I also want to ask, how old are you? When did you take up smoking? If it was after 1964, you simply get no sympathy from me. And it's not as though it wasn't widely understood even before the Surgeon General's report fifty years ago that smoking was deadly. If you chose to take up smoking after that date, understand that you are on your own. You have voluntarily taken up and addictive and deadly habit. Please to not ask me to feel sorry for you. You can't smoke in restaurants? Or grocery stores? Or hospitals? Gosh. How unfortunate. Smoke all you want. Just not where you can stink up the rest of the world.

We aren't asking to smoke in grocery stores and hospitals, but we do demand the right to smoke outdoors. If that offends you, that's your problem..

You think you have the right, but you're wrong. You're not a protected class and laws like this are catching on. I didn't make the choice to smoke so it's really your problem, not mine.

If you are offended by people smoking outdoors, that's your problem. Whine all you want, but it's perfectly legal for me to walk down the sidewalk and have a smoke. I do it every day, and people like you can do nothing to prevent it. The laws that are being passed here and there are banning smoking in specific areas, so if you're suggesting that the day is coming when they'll be some sort of outright ban of smoking everywhere in public areas you couldn't be more wrong. It ain't gonna happen.

The habit or lack thereof, in and of itself, doesn't necessarily indicate good (or bad) manners.

hopefully they will actually enforce it... (there's still smoking on U of M campus where it's theoretically banned)

though technically it's against county ordinance to smoke near entrances anyway... (maybe that doesn't apply to city buldings?)

Good thing for the smokers, because considering how isolated the campus is, not being able to light up anywhere would be a giant pain in the ass. I never took up the habit myself - I smoked pot (and still do) instead - but I have noticed that cigarette smoking has (unfortunately) made a comeback among my generation (I'm 29, graduated college in 2007).

between your smoking and any public building...some towns here have 250.00 fines

... because right now,at this very moment, you are breathing in substances you didn't agree to.

Way to demand that the universe revolve around you.

That argument has always been silly. I mean really, banning cigarettes at a bus stop where people are standing where dozens to hundreds of cars, trucks and buses pass billowing god knows what chemicals in their exhaust?! Give me an effing break. There is all kinds of dangerous shit I didn't consent to breathe wafting around in the air of my city and region.... Dangerous shit that does far more harm to far more people and wildlife/ecology than cigarettes ever will. I don't mean to be advocating for smokers, but really, that argument is ridiculous. I get it that smokers are easy pickin's when compared to big polluting industry and car culture and people can feel like they are "winning" and be righteous and all the rest of it by passing these ordinances, but it can't really reduce the toxins in the air all that much.... speaking of outside now, not indoor smoking bans....

every day and I hate having to stand there with smokers at the stop. There are no smoking signs all over the place (no smoking within 15 feet of the stop), but people violate that all the time. I'd like to see drivers refuse to allow smokers to board if they are seen smoking at the stop. That would get them to quit it quick, if they have to stand there in the cold for another hour.

Maybe I'm addicted to fresh air? Hahahaha.



By the way the "you're already breathing bad stuff" argument doesn't fly.



"You're already breathing in pollutants so I should have the right to blow more pollutants in your face"


I love reading these selfish posts from smokers. Enjoy being legislated back in to your own home.

Non-smoker here...

It seems to boggle your mind that someone could advocate for choice even if they personally wouldn't do it.

Classic behavior controlist...

and another small step toward being arrested for breathing. Dumb, idiotic, draconian. And I'm an ex smoker.

this is just one more way to lock up poor people, unable to pay the fine, there will be no benefit for it.


As for the great no smoking campaign, there has been no improvement in health, ciggies were traded for snacks and now instead of lung cancer/heart disease, we have diabetes/heart disease.

Whoppee!

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I want everyone in jail, except me. Then I will finally be able to breath.

A bunch of well-to do politicians, egged on by upper middle class academics, doctors and interest groups activists (the "food police&quot pass laws that will as a practical effect, make life difficult for poor people.

How about instead, investing in public smoking cessation programs that poor folks can use. Otherwise smoking cessation programs can be prohibitively expensive.

we have to breathe the pollutant filled air, that industry and automobile users concoct for us, without draconian laws curtailing their "right" to dump poisons into our air/environment.
While I have no real problem with laws prohibiting public smoking, it seems unfair to demonize and punish the small polluters and let the giant ones off scot-free.

a little over a year ago, after smoking for more than 30 years. I feel a lot better now. I highly recommend quitting if you do smoke. I do use the e-cig occasionally, but that's about it in the nicotine department. I quit because now that we have a child, I was always hiding outside to smoke. Couldn't smoke in the house, or in my car, or in any building in town (including most bars now). I am saving at least $200 a month. I never thought I could do it, but I did, and you can too.

watching the great beast unfolding, 24/7 since 1980 openly and previous to that sorta on the quiet, i realize the bastards try using our best instincts against us. Remember the blue dress, and how all those nice decent liberal left types were forced to DEFEND a character who became a punch line for rightwing jokers? Or OJ Simpson? Fact is, I will bet anyone the entire anti smoking campaign is mostly concerned with the recent easing of marijuana laws- the idea being to help offset the efforts to re-examine the 'war on drugs'and society recognizing that pot isn't evil, never was, and its criminalization was motivated by assholes who dare not publicly admit their REAL agenda (to keep control of society, by turning the publicly funded drug cops into the enforcement arm of the drug lords of wall street and their goddam minions waging war on the poor/powerless!) The American taxpayer pumps $85 billion a month into the stock market, w/out any serious debate about it in mass media, and has been doing so for years, so i think a relatively few people's 'bad' habits are the least of the country's problems. BTW, go ahead and make smoking impossible, using extant laws and building codes etc, but DO NOT EMPOWER MR PIG doing so! HE hates us....
He will kill US, eventually

enjoying a nice evening (well not right now, it's snowing) watching the birds and clouds, some inconsiderate idiot who lives around here decides to drive his stinking polluting car that spews out as much CO, CO2 and H2S as much as ten thousand cigarettes right past my house and stinks up the whole block. It really is frustrating.

I'm not sure how much CO is in cigarette smoke.

This is just dumb.

Adding extra confrontations with police that are totally unnecessary? For someone that is smoking outside in a public area?

I do think it's ridiculous indeed.