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Omaha Steve

(99,849 posts)
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 02:06 PM Feb 2014

Syrian forces hit mosque with barrel bomb, kill 5

Source: AP-EXCITE

By DIAA HADID

BEIRUT (AP) - Syrian forces dropped a crude bomb on a mosque that was being used as a school in a rebel-held neighborhood of a key northern city on Tuesday, killing at least five people, including children, activists said.

The bombing - one of at least seven around Aleppo on Tuesday - came amid an intensified campaign by President Bashar Assad's government to take back parts of the city that were seized by rebels in mid-2012.

Far from the battlegrounds in Syria, Assad's biggest international ally expressed confidence the government would return to the U.N.-hosted peace talks in Geneva that are trying to find a solution to the conflict.

Russian deputy foreign minister and Moscow's special envoy to the Middle East, Mikhail Bogdanov, said Tuesday he was sure the Syrian government would take part in the second round of the talks. Syria's crisis, which erupted as a peaceful uprising against Assad's rule in March 2011 but descended into an armed revolt and full-blown civil war has killed more than 130,000 people and forced almost a third of the country's prewar population of 23 million from their homes.

FULL story at link.


Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20140204/DABOGAN03.html

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Syrian forces hit mosque with barrel bomb, kill 5 (Original Post) Omaha Steve Feb 2014 OP
The mosque "used as a religious school for children. ... children were inside when it was hit with a pampango Feb 2014 #1
1 word: attrition EX500rider Feb 2014 #2
"Syrian Air Force losses have been heavy, with some 400 aircrew dead, captured, or missing." pampango Feb 2014 #3

pampango

(24,692 posts)
1. The mosque "used as a religious school for children. ... children were inside when it was hit with a
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 06:15 PM
Feb 2014

barrel bomb."

Barrel bombs are "crude devices packed with fuel, explosives and scraps of metal".

What is with the recent reliance of the Syrian Air Force on barrel bombs dropped from helicopters rather than the bombs and missiles fired from jets that they have used previously? Is Russia not providing Assad with enough bombs and missiles so they have to resort to crude "barrel bombs"?

EX500rider

(10,891 posts)
2. 1 word: attrition
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:25 PM
Feb 2014

"The Syrian Air Force has suffered major losses in the last year, as the aircraft and helicopters were unleashed on rebels (and civilian supporters) and took a beating. Of the 370 usable fixed wing war planes the Syrian Air Force had two years ago, about half are now out of action because of combat losses or wear and tear. Nearly two-thirds of the 360 helicopters are gone, for the same reasons.

Part of the problem was that few Syrian air force leaders (and pilots) were prepared for this kind of war (low level bombing and lots of helicopter flights under fire). Desperate time remand desperate measures, and in the last few months even the MiG-29 fighters have been seen dropping bombs. These are the most modern aircraft Syria has and their pilots were trained to fight Israeli jets, not bomb civilians. But a village or city neighborhood is hard to miss, even for a rookie.

A more costly problem is the lack of flying time in the last decade. Syria could never afford, even with Iranian subsidies, to let their combat pilots fly enough to be really good at it. For the last year, the only flying has been for combat missions. MiG-29 pilots were taught about bombing, if they had no experience in that, on the ground and practiced the weapons release procedure while the aircraft were sitting on the ground. The first actual bomb drop was for real, not practice. This lack of flight time led to operational losses, especially when it came to landing damaged (by enemy action or equipment failure) aircraft. This often led to aircraft loss rather than bringing home a repairable aircraft. A shortage of spare parts often made repairs impossible and has become a major factor in aircraft becoming inoperable after heavy use (which wears out some components).

The Syrian Air Force also suffers from an overabundance of older, well-worn, and poorly maintained aircraft. The best example is their use of the MiG-21. This is a 1950s design and most of the few remaining current users are phasing them out. But because Syria is so poor, their 150 MiG-21s are still the most abundant aircraft in their air force. But only about half of these MiG-21s are flyable. There are also a hundred 1960s era MiG-23s, ten MiG-25s, and 40 MiG-29s. There are also 20 Su-24 and 60 Su-22 ground attack aircraft. The 60 operational L-39 jet trainers were also able to carry some weapons (typical with trainers like this) and were used to attack rebels. There is also a large force of helicopters, the most common being over 240 Mi-8s (including some of the more modern Mi-17 model). There are 120 attack helicopters, half of them Mi-24s (a gunship variant of the Mi-8 and contemporary of the American AH-1), the rest are elderly French Gazelle scout helicopters and Polish Mi-2s. These are mostly used as aerial taxis as they only carry a few weapons and can’t handle much damage."

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20130618.aspx

pampango

(24,692 posts)
3. "Syrian Air Force losses have been heavy, with some 400 aircrew dead, captured, or missing."
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 06:57 AM
Feb 2014
Nearly a hundred fixed wing and over a hundred helicopters have been lost. About half of these aircraft were captured or destroyed on the ground as rebels attacked, and often captured, air bases. The jets (and a few transports) were hit while landing and taking off, and this threat often led to airbases being abandoned, with aircraft incapable (because of damage or lack of spare parts) of flying out being destroyed or just left behind.

It wasn’t until about a year ago that the rebels (using army deserters and information collected via the Internet or Islamic radical fighters with experience in Iraq) developed effective anti-aircraft techniques. The most common and successful one was to place multiple machine-guns, including at least one heavy (12.7-23mm) machine-gun, along the route used by helicopters or jets coming in for landing or low level attack. These machine-guns were fired in a coordinated manner and were very effective. This tactic is called “flak trap” and dates back to World War II (or earlier). This tactic works if you can use surprise and one or more concealed, preferably truck mounted, heavy machine-guns.

The Assad family has occasionally used the air force against the Syrian people and seemed reluctant at first to unleash hundreds of combat aircraft on civilians. But a year ago that changed, and an air attack was considered successful whether it hit armed rebels or the unarmed civilians that supported him. Several air force defectors reported that pilots were often instructed to go after bakeries (bread is a key element of the Syrian diet) and apartment buildings, in order to maximize the suffering among civilians.

The air force is rapidly disappearing because of combat and operational (accidents and poor maintenance) losses. At this point the government has nothing to lose and simply regards the remaining aircraft as similar to diminishing ammo supplies. Use it or lose it to advancing rebels.

Great information. Thanks for finding and posting this, EX500rider.

Isn't Russia replacing the jets, helicopters, missiles and bombs that Assad's air force has lost? Overwhelming air superiority has always been one of Assad's principle advantages. I had not realized that it had been degraded to this extent.
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