NSA phone data collection far more limited than had been disclosed
Source: McClatchy News
NSA phone data collection far more limited than had been disclosed
By KEN DILANIAN
Tribune Washington Bureau
February 9, 2014
WASHINGTON Although U.S. intelligence officials have indicated since last summer that the National Security Agency was vacuuming up nearly every American telephone record for counter-terrorism investigations, officials acknowledged Friday that the spy agency collects data from less than a third of U.S. calls because it can't keep pace with cell phone usage.
In a speech last month, President Barack Obama called the bulk collection of telephone records the most controversial part of the debate over security and privacy sparked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden's leaks of classified material. Obama announced plans to impose greater judicial review on the program and to limit how it can be used. But the NSA operation now seems far less pervasive than it appeared, raising questions about whether it is as essential a terrorist-fighting tool as the NSA and its supporters have argued.
Rather than sweeping in all U.S. call records, officials said, the NSA is gathering toll records from most domestic land line calls, but is incapable of collecting those from most cell phone or Internet calls. The details were first disclosed by The Washington Post.
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because much of the program remains classified, said they did not correct the public record because they did not want to tip off potential adversaries to obvious gaps in the coverage.
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ya right.
proudretiredvet
(312 posts)From the mouths of those who ignored our right of privacy in total secrecy until they were caught. Then they tried to lie their way out of it until they couldn't any more. Now they want us to believe them. Hell No!!!!!
Change has come
(2,372 posts)Only a third of us are being 'vacuumed up' Phew!
joshcryer
(62,287 posts)Trying to make it seem like they're not spying on us enough.
Figured this would happen. It was only a matter of time.
Do not think this leak was a coincidence. It falls right after the fact that the Russians showed they were spying on our ambassadors.
neverforget
(9,437 posts)but now it's okay? Lol!
SkatmanRoth
(843 posts)- That makes it A-Okay then.
Who needs that old Fourth Amendment anyway?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)cause I'm gonna make you safe like you've never been safe.
Famous last promises.
History is full of such promises. It always ends badly.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)Who do they think they're kidding? The horses have left the barn, boys.
JusticeForAll
(1,222 posts)I expected to see Pravda as the news source....but, McClatchy? really?
Thank you for posting this article!
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,379 posts)... and, "meta" data is not enough. They'll collect contents of voice calls and text messages as soon as the infrastructure can interpret and store it all.
If they're only collecting metadata, it's because that's all they can do technically.
They can do "better", and they will.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)from the article:
"The NSA aims to build the technical capacity over the next few years to collect toll records from every domestic land line and cell phone call assuming Congress extends authority for Section 215 of the USA Patriot Act after it expires in June 2015.
Once the capacity is available, the agency would seek court orders to require telecommunications companies that do not currently deliver their records to the NSA to do so. The records contain phone numbers, times and lengths of each call, but not the content or anyone's name."
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I could live with, but disclosed implies it was true.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)tell me another one? I want another story, you know, about how we're safe and sound and no one is really being THAT bad.
PSPS
(13,634 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)Our government would never spy on us without our permission. We have the 4th Amendment to protect us, right? ... Right?
DallasNE
(7,404 posts)Because before Snowden the news stories involved land line companies rather than a mix, although AT&T is now both. Even the gateway locations reflected on regional and thus landline carriers.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)The ECHELON system has foreign countries--our allies--holding onto and snooping into our domestic calls. NSA itself may be able to claim that it doesn't grab or keep the data, but MI6 does, NATO nations do, ANZAC nations do, and it's all at NSA's fingertips with a simple request or, more likely, no request at all.
Do you know what happens when you have more information on your own people than you can use? YOUR ENEMIES USE IT AGAINST YOU. That personal, private information is far more useful to China than it is to us, so our domestic surveillance is their international espionage. Edward Snowden appears to be the perfect example: flagged by NSA as a potential traitor, but not important enough to do anything about, the Chinese appear to have activated him the moment the US dared to speak of Chinese human rights abuses. They didn't even have to steal that information from us, as we share it with countries much less capable of protecting the information--like Luxembourg, for example.
So the greatest intelligence coup the United States has left to it is the complete shutdown of all electronic domestic surveillance. If we were really smart, we would shut the project down, make the Chinese duplicate the spying effort, steal their product, and use it against our own people without the expense of generating the intelligence product.
Instead, we're paying every penny to supply the Chinese with the lists of turnable people that they need.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Can't keep up...it must be budget time again....
They are so transparent about the wrong things.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)truthisfreedom
(23,168 posts)knowing that almost one third of my calls weren't recorded.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
PosterChild
(1,307 posts)...about capabilities and limitation is "just part of the job."
anasv
(225 posts)JoeyT
(6,785 posts)but "We aren't as bad as you think we are, we don't have the budget/competence." isn't exactly going to win them any points.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Russians monitoring and recording phone conversations but revealing them. If he does not rise up against the Russian spying then he just might be in with them.
RC
(25,592 posts)Snowden is only there because our government trapped them there.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)you have felony charges the US can pull your passport. If he is trapped in Russia it is of his own doing. It was not required for him to have the passport when he took the flight from Hong Kong to Russia since the airline he flew did not require the passport. Why in the hell did he choose to fly to Russia? Why did he fly to Hong Kong? This was moves on his part, perhaps he can look back and say it was not a good move but he trapped himself in Russia. Yep, he is probably in with Russia, he is not putting out information on Russia so he is capable of living in a country which has less respect for privacy than the US .
TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)Russia was supposed to be only a layover point to elsewhere. Snowden had no intention of staying there.
Facts are your friend, Get some.
When I lived in Fargo ND and wanted to fly to Kansas City MO, why did I have to go to Minneapolis, before continuing on to KCMO?
Going back, the same thing. Why didn't I just fly from Fargo to Kansas City and back? There is nothing in Minneapolis for me.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Them from the NSA without permission and delivered them to people without security clearance and not within the channels he was supposed to use again without proper permission. He flew to Hong Kong and whole there admitted he had released information and was charged with espionage and theft which are felonies resulting in his passport being revoked. This is normal in cases of people with warrants issued in felony cases. He flew from Hong Kong to Moscow on a Russian airline and it would be landing in Russia. Had it have been Air France etc and if Snowden was allowed to board without a passport then the destination airport does not have to allow the plane to land and therefore would not allow him aboard without a valid passport. Snowden alone or without proper advise put himself in his current position. Can you name one person responsible for him flying to Hong Kong? Can you name one person responsible for him flying to Moscow. Ignorance of the laws is not a defense. Why did he choose to fly to Hong Kong instead of his projected destination? Perhaps if he was willing to give information to work a plea bargain things may be different, it is his choice.
RC
(25,592 posts)This whole exposure is in reality about the excesses of the NSA, not what Snowden did. All Snowden did was pull the covers back and let the world see the criminality the NSA is engaged in.
If the NSA were being run as it should, there would not be much evidence of wrong doing for Snowden to take and you'd then have a case. As it turn out the NSA is all but out of control and in wholesale violation of it's own charter, several articles of the US Constitution, not to mention, International law.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)It appears on enough posts and is irrelevant to this one.
So first the President tells us that he will change the NSA tactics, but by so little that it amounts to a placebo, then we get a leak that they cannot keep up with us. Great propaganda, no change.
Even if true, everyone who might disturb the status quo and may become a popular political figure will have his/her future endangered. After all 70% of the NSA budget goes to private corporations, which in itself looks scary to me.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)Seems on topic and yet, it's not. Epic Fail. Sorry.
Wernothelpless
(410 posts)right ... totally believable ...
tavalon
(27,985 posts)Bravo, Ken. Did you swallow?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I am disinclined to take these anonymous officials at their word.
frwrfpos
(517 posts)and that its no big deal...and boxes!
The fascist state of America continues unabated
Amonester
(11,541 posts)About the time phone companies (now Corporations) started collecting phone data for billing their customers.
Then Al Capone & friends started terrorizing innocents...
Then Adolf Hitler started getting mad...
Then Bush the elder started making deals with him...
Then...
Nothing will stop it except the end of this world as we know it.
But I agree we can keep asking....