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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 08:42 AM Feb 2014

Police: Man dies in shooting at Arizona Wal-Mart

Source: USA Today

The man shot inside a Chandler Walmart Sunday afternoon has died from his injuries, according to the Chandler Police Department.

The 36-year-old man was shot following a physical fight just after 4 p.m. in a checkout line at the store, located at Alma School and Warner Roads, police said.

Police said one of the men pulled out a gun and shot the other then fled the area. The victim was taken to the hospital in critical condition and later died, police said. Video footage taken from the store shows a physical altercation between the two men before the shooting happen, according to Chandler police.

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/17/arizona-walmart-shooting/5545761/

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Police: Man dies in shooting at Arizona Wal-Mart (Original Post) SecularMotion Feb 2014 OP
Compliments of Conceal & Carry liberal N proud Feb 2014 #1
and don't forget road rage LittleGirl Feb 2014 #7
Good luck! savalez Feb 2014 #18
Too early to know if the man was a CCW permit holder. NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #9
It does mean a thing if he had a permit or not... bayareaboy Feb 2014 #14
It matters if one intends to make a point on CCW as the only cause of these ills. NutmegYankee Feb 2014 #16
Arizona FormerOstrich Feb 2014 #22
Add that to the list anniebelle Feb 2014 #2
or Duckhunter935 Feb 2014 #3
Think these things are limited to physical fights or Walmart? liberal N proud Feb 2014 #4
Any sentence cosmicone Feb 2014 #5
It's clear that Wal-mart checkout lanes foment violence. Ban Wal-mart. L0oniX Feb 2014 #6
walmart workers followed a customer out to the parking lot classykaren Feb 2014 #12
No doubt "standing his ground" durablend Feb 2014 #8
The offense formerly billh58 Feb 2014 #10
Police are still needed to keep the 99% down n2doc Feb 2014 #11
Sounds horrible but might be true lower taxes for doing away with the police and their Unions classykaren Feb 2014 #13
And yet another responsible gun owner protecting himself. nt valerief Feb 2014 #15
I find myself questioning that assumption since he AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #19
This is the most astounding part of the article. valerief Feb 2014 #17
Why astounding? That seems like a normal sequence. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2014 #21
Welcome To Walmart....(and)....Clean-up On Isle 4.... bkanderson76 Feb 2014 #20

liberal N proud

(60,349 posts)
1. Compliments of Conceal & Carry
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 08:50 AM
Feb 2014

"one of the men pulled out a gun and shot the other then fled the area"

We have turned the United States into the Wild Wild West we all perceived from the movies. Shoot-em up. Bang Bang!


I fear this happening more and more, go to the theater and if you bump someone, they just might shoot you. Go shopping and your cart blocks the isle you just might get shot.


YEA, More guns makes us all safer!

LittleGirl

(8,292 posts)
7. and don't forget road rage
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 11:01 AM
Feb 2014

I'm afraid to flip anyone off anymore - here in AZ - because of not knowing who is packing heat these days.

My husband and I are planning to pack up and go to the UK (he's a dual citizen) and one of the reasons is this!!!
Gun violence!

I wanted to find a volunteer job but schools are out because of the lock down thing.
Hospitals here require a back ground check and drug test to work there four hours a week.
The 'at will' employment is stressful and nepotism is rampant at his company.

We tried it out for years now, but we're heading east. Way east. Across the pond east.

NutmegYankee

(16,204 posts)
9. Too early to know if the man was a CCW permit holder.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 12:11 PM
Feb 2014

Criminals routinely carry concealed guns as well and have always been inclined to shoot at others in a fight. That hasn't changed in decades.

I'd wait for more facts.

NutmegYankee

(16,204 posts)
16. It matters if one intends to make a point on CCW as the only cause of these ills.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 02:23 PM
Feb 2014

It's well known that if you give someone the finger in the wrong part of Providence, RI you could get shot. And that state is rather strict with CCW, such that it's a near certainty that most carrying don't have a permit. Someone got into a shouting match close to home here in CT and got stabbed by the other guy. In general, getting into arguments or fights with people in public can be a bad thing. This is why the law frowns upon getting into conflict with others in the first place. It's best to just leave and inform the police if they are making threats.

FormerOstrich

(2,703 posts)
22. Arizona
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 11:17 AM
Feb 2014

You don't need a CCW permit in Arizona. Anyone over 21 can carry a concealed weapon without permit:

Concealed carry

Arizona residents at least 21 years old can carry a concealed weapon without a permit as of July 29, 2010.[5] Arizona is only the third state in modern U.S. history (after Vermont and Alaska) to allow the carrying of concealed weapons without a permit, and it is the first state with a large urban population to do so.[6]

Arizona is classified as a "shall issue" state. Even though Arizona law allows concealed carry by adults without permit, concealed carry permits are still available and issued by the Concealed Weapons Permit Unit of the Arizona Department of Public Safety for purposes of reciprocity with other states or for carrying firearms in certain regulated places. Requirements for issuance include taking a training class (provided by a licensed third party) or hunter education class, submitting a finger print card, and paying a $60 fee. Applicants must be at least 21 years of age. New permits are valid for five years. Permits issued before August 12, 2005 are valid for four years.[7] Renewing a permit requires only an application and finger print card. However, effective December 31, 2007 the finger print card requirement for renewal is scheduled to end.[8] Arizona recognizes almost all valid out-of-state carry permits, with few exceptions.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Arizona

btw....last I heard the considered the shooting self-defense. They are not going to charge the shooter.

liberal N proud

(60,349 posts)
4. Think these things are limited to physical fights or Walmart?
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 10:04 AM
Feb 2014

They can happen anywhere, like a theater where someone was upset because the guy was texting or the shopping mall where the store manager didn't take an item back without a receipt.

When the gun nut looses his cool, he is going to pop a few off, if you are the target or just an innocent bystander, you have no control of the gun nut.

Even if you had a gun, when the gun nut goes off, you may not be able to react fast enough.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
6. It's clear that Wal-mart checkout lanes foment violence. Ban Wal-mart.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 10:56 AM
Feb 2014

I got to admit that most times it takes longer to get thru the checkout lane than is does to do the shopping. I had one asshole confront me one day out in the parking lot over an accidental cart bump in the checkout lane.

classykaren

(769 posts)
12. walmart workers followed a customer out to the parking lot
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 01:34 PM
Feb 2014

were I live in Clearwater Florida and beat her over a argument they had in the store. Both were fired no other details were given by local paper. In our area Walmart is not a safe place to go. It is dirty people work while sick coughing on you and your change. Here in Florida Walmart has a large following of people who Love them Guns and Walmart.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
10. The offense formerly
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 12:23 PM
Feb 2014

known as "assault and battery" is now viewed as "attempted murder" as defined by ALEC-generated SYG laws, and includes the right to exercise summary vigilante justice by gun -- even if the gunner initiated the altercation.

With the financial assistance of the Koch Brothers, the NRA is well on it's way to achieving its goal of arming every citizen in the nation and soon there will be no need for municipal police forces as vigilante justice will prevail and become the accepted norm. Just imagine the taxpayer dollars that will be saved by not having to pay police salaries or the costs of a pesky old trial.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
11. Police are still needed to keep the 99% down
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 12:36 PM
Feb 2014

They might not be out on the streets much, but start a demonstration and watch them appear, armed to the teeth with tanks and military gear.

And of course there is the need to keep people in fear through no-knock house invasions over dubious drug 'intelligence'

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
19. I find myself questioning that assumption since he
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 02:52 PM
Feb 2014

fled the scene...

That doesn't really speak toward any honorable intentions.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
17. This is the most astounding part of the article.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 02:23 PM
Feb 2014
The investigation is ongoing and police have not booked Quadlin pending review by the County Attorney's Office.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,375 posts)
21. Why astounding? That seems like a normal sequence.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 06:13 PM
Feb 2014

Investigate, line up the charges, then book.

If Quadlin is walking around free, then I'd be astounded. If he's in a cell while the investigation proceeds, fine, no hurry.

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