And of course there's the question of which well regulated militia these people are in who wish to exercise their 2nd amendment rights.

Besides Supreme Court rulings that say otherwise, both President Obama and the Democratic party platform say that the 2A protects an individual right to bear arms.

if you are a law abiding adult, you have a right to have a firearm in your home and that local and states can regulate all other aspects.

the impact is going to be far more reaching than anyone initially thought. Windsor was supposed to only be about the Federal government with no impact on the state's ability to regulate marriage - after all, those state laws were viewed by voters as sensible policy. Now even conservative state judges and AGs have accepted otherwise.

Heller will have the same sweeping impact - as we saw from this ruling from the Illinois Supreme Court:

no matter what the NRA thinks. When they disappear, so will the 2nd.

but two fundamental truths are now enshrined in law: The RKBA is an individual right and that the right to self defense extends beyond the home.

Every reasonable restriction will have to respect those truths.

I understand why you have to think that the NRA/ALEC/gun makers are the only reason gun control has had a miserable 20 years since their high water mark in the 90's - you are incapable of accepting that reasonable people see guns differently than you do. But the simple fact remains that time and time again the voters of America have shown that they do not completely agree with everything you espouse. I see it first hand in Rhode Island - a pro-union blue state where Democrats have an iron grip on power. A state that, I am proud to say, has legalized gay marriage and has one of the strongest social safety nets in America. And yet the voters here rejected an AWB and other strong gun control measures post Sandy Hook. Turns out there are plenty of pro-gun Dems in RI. So no - the NRA is not your real problem.

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the right direction.

18 years can still legally own guns and there are still legal methods for them to get them.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and anything that stymies the right-wing NRA gun lobby (even in the short term) is a step in the correct direction. YMMV...

given the history of gun control over the past 20 years. When minor delays are a "victory" then you have a big problem.

is actually a sign that the public is becoming more aware of the gun problem in this country, and are more willing to take steps to reverse the obscene proliferation of guns in this country over the past several years.

Yes, a minor delay is indeed a small victory, but the "folks like you" attempted slam is actually a force which is growing in number and volume every day. You can deny it, but the millions upon millions of Americans who do not own guns far out number those who do. Even those American Democrats who own guns are not all paranoid gun nuts, and see the need for tighter gun control.

I have no animosity toward you personally as you seem to be one of the more level-headed RKBA advocates, and I believe that you are a Liberal Democrat. We disagree on the need for sensible gun control, and that is to be expected.

Peace...

and if you are counting on judges, see my post on Heller as to why things are not looking to great for you. Just like Windsor, Heller has fundamentally changed the legal landscape.

and watching, attempts by the right-wing gun lobby to place more and more guns on our streets, and they are starting to react with their voices and wallets. The NRA is the enemy, and not responsible gun owners like yourself. Even you have acknowledged that the courts will not give the right-wing gun lobby carte balnche to prohibit sensible and needed regulation of lethal weapons.

You can have the last word now, as I need to get on with my life...

I certainly do not see any ground swell of support for gun control where I live.

in a movie or visit a shopping mall without the fear of being shot.

Just deal with it.

so that the supremes will have to get elected.
It is actually nothing great. I am still waiting to see the interpretation of the 2nd changed again back to the one before 2005.

are you referring to Miller?

when guns are literally shoved at those same aged adults in the military.

We trust them with full-blown assault rifles at age 18, but supposedly they aren't responsible enough to even own a handgun in their own home for self-defense until they turn 21.

Weird disconnect here.

This could result in fewer gun deaths. How positively unpatriotic!