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TexasTowelie

(112,687 posts)
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:42 AM Jul 2015

What they call terrorism--and what they don't

The glaring double standard in the U.S. media and political establishment about what constitutes "terrorism" was on full display after the July 16 shooting at two military facilities in Chattanooga, Tennessee, that led to the deaths of four Marines and a Naval petty officer.

Just hours after 24-year-old Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez opened fire on a military recruitment office and then a Naval reserve center, and was in turn fatally wounded, U.S. Attorney Bill Killian said authorities were treating the case as an "act of domestic terrorism." A senior law enforcement official likewise told the Washington Post, "We will treat this as a terrorism investigation until it can be determined it was not," he said.

All the authorities needed to know to adopt the "this is terrorism until it isn't" approach--in stark contrast to their attitude in other cases--was Abdulazeez's Middle Eastern name and his Muslim faith.

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The same media and political establishment that was loathe to call last month's shooting in a Charleston church by white supremacist Dylann Roof "terrorism" couldn't wait to ascribe these motives to Abdulazeez.

Read more: http://socialistworker.org/2015/07/21/what-they-call-terrorism-and-what-they-dont

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What they call terrorism--and what they don't (Original Post) TexasTowelie Jul 2015 OP
You know, I saw that Boner ordered the flags flown at half mast PatrickforO Jul 2015 #1
"Terrorism" Hydra Jul 2015 #2
By definition it was not terrorism. SlipperySlope Jul 2015 #3
Well, "Commie" has mostly gone out of fashion... malthaussen Jul 2015 #4
Get used to jargon. Igel Jul 2015 #5

PatrickforO

(14,604 posts)
1. You know, I saw that Boner ordered the flags flown at half mast
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:57 AM
Jul 2015

because of the Chattanooga tragedy, and then snarked that he was 'happy that the White House had apparently noticed and done the same." Geez...

But I thought the very same thing you did. How is the racist hate crime shooting in Charleston NOT domestic terrorism???

Still, I'm wishing all the dead may rest in peace. But BOTH were terrorist acts.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
2. "Terrorism"
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:58 AM
Jul 2015

Term used by a Gov't when a destructive event it usual supports or actively engages in is done by someone it doesn't like.

SlipperySlope

(2,751 posts)
3. By definition it was not terrorism.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 01:33 AM
Jul 2015

Terrorism is violent or the threat of violence used against a civilian population to achieve political ends.

Attacks on military targets are never terrorism.

I'm sorry, I'm not defending anybody, but I'm tired of the word "terrorism" being abused.

malthaussen

(17,237 posts)
4. Well, "Commie" has mostly gone out of fashion...
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:00 AM
Jul 2015

... so they need a new one-word-fits-all to describe anyone who does something they don't like.

-- Mal

Igel

(35,390 posts)
5. Get used to jargon.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:54 AM
Jul 2015

the language, especially the vocabulary, peculiar to a particular trade, profession, or group


The law has its own jargon. Sociology has it's own jargon. So does linguistics. And masonry. And auto mechanics. Everybody pretty much knows at least one. And in jargon, words can mean different things. In linguistics, "tree" is a variety of syntactic structure (typically trees are binary and are only right branching, for instance).

"Terrorism" is jargon if you're in law enforcement. It's the definitions they use.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition

Looks like they assumed it was international terrorism and a goal would surface. But failing to find an international connection, they'd likely relabel it "federal crime of terrorism." Unless they can't how the guy wanted to influence or intimidate the US government.

As for Roof, his explicit goal was to cause whites to rise up to kill blacks, to show the way. It's unclear how he intended to coerce the black population: The specifics are things have to impute to him. To lay low? Stop making demands? Accept being 2nd class citizens? That's the problem with "coerce": it's not a complete predicate (sorry, jargon there). It doesn't have a complete meaning by itself, it means something like "using force or intimidation, cause ______ to ________." If I coerce a specific population, it means I "use force or intimidation to cause that specific population to _____________." To what?

We can argue that lack of information doesn't matter if we have suspicions. But then go back to the Chattanooga shootings. We lack information that it was international terrorism and IS-connected. Should we just assume and take our presuppositions as fact? (Is that any way to run a legal system? Judge Lynch would be proud. Who needs facts when we have an accused Tory, an execution squad, and suspicions?)

Courts use the same jargon as law enforcement (or, rather, it's the other way around) most of the time. Common usage counts for little.
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