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demmiblue

(36,920 posts)
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 08:08 AM Jan 2018

Donald Trump Just Asked Congress to End the Rule of Law

This should be the biggest headline of the speech.

Source: Slate

Donald Trump’s first State of the Union was a deeply dangerous speech.

It was deeply dangerous because he finally followed in the footsteps of European leaders like Hungarian President Viktor Orban who have long ago learned to give an attractive look to authoritarian populism.

Like them, Trump eschewed openly racist remarks in his speech, even emphasizing how much he (supposedly) cares about the fate of Latinos and black Americans. Like them, he called for economic policies, like paid family leave, that would actually benefit ordinary people. And like them, he then cast himself as the only man willing to prioritize the interests of his supporters over those of foreigners and political elites.

It was Bannonism without Bannon’s penchant for shock and awe. And it played shockingly well.

But Trump’s speech was also deeply dangerous for an even more important reason: Under the cover of his soothing rhetoric about unity and bipartisanship, Trump called on Congress to give him unprecedented and unquestionably antidemocratic powers: “Tonight,” he said, “I call on the congress to empower every Cabinet secretary with the authority to reward good workers—and to remove federal employees who undermine the public trust or fail the American people.”


Read more: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/01/donald-trump-just-asked-congress-to-end-the-rule-of-law.html
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Donald Trump Just Asked Congress to End the Rule of Law (Original Post) demmiblue Jan 2018 OP
Frightening. MBS Jan 2018 #1
OMG. He actually can learn. AllyCat Jan 2018 #2
he's a puppet Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2018 #5
Sounds like Drumpf wants a purge. Ohioboy Jan 2018 #3
Scary gademocrat7 Jan 2018 #4
Those were the most frightening words he spoke. rickford66 Jan 2018 #6
I actually gasped when he said that... Moostache Jan 2018 #7
Here we go again: McCarthyism 2.0. Soon Trump will sign his own version of EO 9835 FailureToCommunicate Jan 2018 #8
That's Joseph N. Welch on the left. longship Jan 2018 #11
Good catch. FailureToCommunicate Jan 2018 #17
Trump has no sense of decency. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2018 #21
I'd love to hear endless round-tables about that. Saviolo Jan 2018 #9
Well, shitler, wish in one hand, have a high level FSB connected russian hooker Mc Mike Jan 2018 #10
This is indeed a frightening statement- if you read between the lines Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2018 #12
+1 dalton99a Jan 2018 #16
Loyalty oaths for Federal workers not fooled Jan 2018 #13
"A nonpolitical civil service is a bulwark against fascism." MBS Jan 2018 #18
nixon did that too and blew up in his face ' AllaN01Bear Jan 2018 #14
That sounds like he's calling for a purge. Scary shit! Initech Jan 2018 #15
" to remove federal employees who undermine the public trust or fail the American people" would mean onetexan Jan 2018 #19
A simply amazing statement. TomSlick Jan 2018 #20
A return to bad old days of patronage alarimer Feb 2018 #22

MBS

(9,688 posts)
1. Frightening.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 08:37 AM
Jan 2018

Thanks for the link and for highlighting this important point. (I couldn't bear to listen to it last night. Was just steeling myself this morning to sit down and read the transcript. )

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,574 posts)
5. he's a puppet
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 09:42 AM
Jan 2018

He's spent a lifetime of being a bully and a con. Anything deeper than that comes from whoever pulls his strings.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
7. I actually gasped when he said that...
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 10:00 AM
Jan 2018

My wife thought I was choking for a second. Easily the most disturbing thing said all night...

FailureToCommunicate

(14,034 posts)
8. Here we go again: McCarthyism 2.0. Soon Trump will sign his own version of EO 9835
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 10:14 AM
Jan 2018

"EO 9835 facilitated the establishment of the highly publicized "Attorney General's List of Subversive Organizations" (AGLOSO). Eventually, AGLOSO would become one of the central influences in the second American Red Scare, known collectively as McCarthyism. The list came into being after Truman signed EO 9835, both the order and AGLOSO established more than two years before Senator Joseph McCarthy's first allegations of Communist infiltration in the U.S. government in early 1950."


longship

(40,416 posts)
11. That's Joseph N. Welch on the left.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 10:38 AM
Jan 2018

His famous quotation:

Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyers Guild ... Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?

Saviolo

(3,284 posts)
9. I'd love to hear endless round-tables about that.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 10:21 AM
Jan 2018

About how he's calling for a purge of the federal government to get rid of long-time dedicated public servants who the far right have labeled the "deep state." About how he's trying to establish an authoritarian model of government while clearly sharing the views of those, like Richard Spencer, who are anxious to establish a "white ethno-state." About how he's already broken the law regarding Russian sanctions by going against the overwhelming majority of both Congress and the Senate.

Instead, are we just going to hear endless discussions about how he was able to read a teleprompter well enough that they can call him "Presidential?" How many times do we have to hear "He finally became the president tonight." before it actually happens?

Spoilers: It won't.

Mc Mike

(9,118 posts)
10. Well, shitler, wish in one hand, have a high level FSB connected russian hooker
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 10:28 AM
Jan 2018

pee in the other. See which one fills up first.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,461 posts)
12. This is indeed a frightening statement- if you read between the lines
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 10:51 AM
Jan 2018

I'm afraid that a lot of people might hear this and have it seem to make sense on the surface. After all, why not reward "good workers" and get rid of "bad workers". Republicans have been using this to attack Teachers and Unions for years. However, for those of us whom are rightly suspicious of anything Trump/GOP says, here's what we are hearing:

"Good Workers"= Trump syncophants
"Bad Workers"= Everybody else, especially those with the spine to tell him "no".

Be afraid. Be very afraid.....

BTW was there a lot of applause to this line (for those watching)?

not fooled

(5,807 posts)
13. Loyalty oaths for Federal workers
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 10:59 AM
Jan 2018

coming next.

And in at least one agency, workers were given a list of 5 words that will be scanned for in emails, including dump and selection 2020 (read between the lines). Of course, shouldn't be political activity at work but the intent to intimidate is clear.

A nonpolitical civil service is a bulwark against fascism. If the cabal remains in power long enough, they will do to every Federal employee what they are doing to FBI agents--check all social media activity, etc.

Fascism 101.

And many Federal workers voted for the goon. No bueno.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
18. "A nonpolitical civil service is a bulwark against fascism."
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 12:58 PM
Jan 2018

You are so right, and this is exactly why their push to politicize the civil service is so dangerous.

onetexan

(13,081 posts)
19. " to remove federal employees who undermine the public trust or fail the American people" would mean
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 03:57 PM
Jan 2018

to remove ALL GOPs from the Congressional seats for enabling this illegitimate DOTUS

TomSlick

(11,150 posts)
20. A simply amazing statement.
Wed Jan 31, 2018, 11:54 PM
Jan 2018

What the Orange Abomination was saying is that the administration should be able to fire any federal employee that is not sufficiently loyal to the OA - personally.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
22. A return to bad old days of patronage
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 01:02 PM
Feb 2018

Before the professionalization (if that's a word) of the federal work force. We cannot return to those days. Federal workers, apart from appointees, are normally experts in their fields, whether they are lawyers, doctors and scientists at the CDC, biologists, engineers, computer scientists, etc. They have to be trusted to do their jobs and not have their work politicized or be trashed because they themselves may have political opinions contrary to the President. And their work has to be respected even if the results are contrary to what the Administration itself may want.

What Trump is calling for will have a chilling effect on all that work. And what will fill the gap? Partisan nonsense that will only serve to discredit the government (and all its various professions) in the eyes of people everywhere. This is incredibly damaging and among the worst things Trump is doing.

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