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dalton99a

(81,707 posts)
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:36 PM Jan 2019

A Tiny Screw Shows Why iPhones Won't Be 'Assembled in U.S.A.'

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/technology/iphones-apple-china-made.html

A Tiny Screw Shows Why iPhones Won’t Be ‘Assembled in U.S.A.’
By Jack Nicas
Jan. 28, 2019


A screw from the late 2013 model of the Mac Pro. James Nieves/The New York Times

SAN FRANCISCO — Despite a trade war between the United States and China and past admonishments from President Trump “to start building their damn computers and things in this country,” Apple is unlikely to bring its manufacturing closer to home.

A tiny screw illustrates why.

In 2012, Apple’s chief executive, Timothy D. Cook, went on prime-time television to announce that Apple would make a Mac computer in the United States. It would be the first Apple product in years to be manufactured by American workers, and the top-of-the-line Mac Pro would come with an unusual inscription: “Assembled in USA.”

But when Apple began making the $3,000 computer in Austin, Tex., it struggled to find enough screws, according to three people who worked on the project and spoke on the condition of anonymity because of confidentiality agreements.


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Boxerfan

(2,533 posts)
1. Utter nonsense...Have you seen a American railroad pocket watch?
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:45 PM
Jan 2019

Or any other fine instrument from the golden age of machinery (1860-1950).

There are minute parts & screws-all painstakingly adjusted for poise & time keeping to a degree most would find impossible today.
The screws holding in a jewel are probably smaller than a flea's ass.

Just takes time & a lot of hands on training. And a commitment to employ & train American workers.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
5. Interesting problem
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:03 AM
Jan 2019


I saw a couple of comments that seem to dispute the story. I don't know enough so I did some reading. A little knowledge is sometimes dangerous. Here's an industry article on the subject of tool and die makers.

[link:https://www.industryweek.com/supply-chain/tool-and-dying-auto-leaders-ford-fca-brainstorm-saving-shops-sustain-them|]

Nearly 75% of tool and die makers are over age 45, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Only 2% are younger than 35. Two out of five are either already eligible to retire, or will be in the next 5 to 7 years.


And

Rohde sees the future of American tool and die shops as finishers for their overseas competitors who can churn out cheaper molds and tooling but lack the expertise to meet the most exacting OEM specs. TQM, for instance, contracts with small specialty die shops in the United States, including one in the Detroit suburb of Roseville called Dietech, to finish dies that its Asian plants produce.


The article talks about die makers being able to earn 120 to 140k a year. The comments say otherwise. It seems to be important to maintain enough capacity to be able to build the machines that build factories.


marble falls

(57,513 posts)
7. Look up Thomas Registry. Search for specialty screw manufacturers. There's hundreds ...
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 08:51 AM
Jan 2019

off them Making screws is not rocket science. My biggest fear in drafting school was drawing screw thread the rest of my life.

www.thomasnet.com/suppliers/

Product / Service: screws
2180 Suppliers Found. View All or add qualifications

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
11. So it wasn't the screws
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 02:39 AM
Jan 2019

That thomasnet site is cool. Did you see the daily bite stuff? Those articles were good. I think it proves your point about getting custom screws shouldn't be a problem. The original article should have done a better job fact checking. Apple's story doesn't seem plausible.


In your opinion is there a coming shortage of tool and die makers like the article I linked says?

marble falls

(57,513 posts)
12. In the US there's been fewer T&D makers yearly for about the last 40 years ....
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:34 AM
Jan 2019

Thats a function of two things: factories being sent overseas, and the advent of CadCam machinery. So we're good at at extremely limited production like prototyping and specialty fasteners.

It also makes us susceptible to counterfeit engineered fasteners for automotive, military and aerospace markets. That's why there are still good sources of high end, high performance fasteners like Apple's little loose screw right here in the US.

We don't make as many commodity screws as we used to. We still make specialty screws - lots of them. Making fasteners doesn't use humans as much as it uses machinery and automation.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,747 posts)
13. I didn't know they were still around.
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 02:13 PM
Jan 2019

I remember those from the library.

I remember a lot of things from the library.

marble falls

(57,513 posts)
14. I used to get a new set every year. You can find anything you need in them. I like the fact ...
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 04:40 PM
Jan 2019

that the manufacturers can put their literature into it. Used to get the Sweets Catalogue (architecture), too. Just as big and just as information rich.

I designed fire rated windows, performance windows and wall systems, ballistic, blast resistant window and wall systems.

Scruffy1

(3,257 posts)
6. This is only true if you don't want to invest some capital.
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:48 AM
Jan 2019

The metal part of it would be made on a cold header. This would rquire investing in the dies to make it. Once you have the dies the machine can produce thousands per hour. Ditto for the molding it into the plastic. Once you have the dies made they can be mass produced for a pittance. Dies are very expensive so what they are saying is that they didn't plan on a large volume of production that would provide a good rate of return on their initial investment and have decided to go with non propitary parts as much as possible. This could lead to supply chain problems if the only company or companies that make the part don't have the capacity or willingness to supply the part.
Also, there is quite a bit of lead time in making propitary parts. Design the part, design the dies or molds, have them made and then either tool up in house or contract it out. Most contract manufaturers have a booked up schedule and you will have to wait a while.

marble falls

(57,513 posts)
8. Tooling for a screw is nothing. Setting up a line to run a kabillion costs. Running the kabillion...
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 09:08 AM
Jan 2019

screws costs only the materials. If I have a kabillion run, the manufacturer will run several kabillion. The small screw Apple wants might only need a barrel to hold several hundred thousand. At about $.03/pc even with the injection molded head. Injection molding is not expensive, either.

Thread has been standardized for a century. Tooling exists for the screw itself. The injection molding not going to break Apple. If there isn't stock molding or someone else's tooling for the plastic head that would wouldn't be available, I'll eat my hat. The only major feature in a fasteners that's changed much over the last half century is the drive feature.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
9. Your last sentence is likely key...
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 09:53 AM
Jan 2019

"The only major feature in a fasteners that's changed much over the last half century is the drive feature."

Apple wants fasteners that only Apple has the tools to remove and install. They want no one other than authorized entities to be able to do anything to their devices. If they can't have a security type head that own the rights to all the tooling, they will go somewhere else, no matter the cost.

ROB-ROX

(767 posts)
10. The Wages Are Just Too High
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 02:35 PM
Jan 2019

The parts and workers are not special. It is always the wages the company has to pay, which means where they decide to build the product. Apple is just another ripoff company which worships the almighty dollar. Apple has it slave labor camps in China, which are illegal in any other country. I do not think big companies respect their workers because they think workers are EXPENDABLE.....

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