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hatrack

(59,602 posts)
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 08:55 AM Feb 2019

Will Bunch On Davos: It's All About AI And Replacing Human Beings As Quickly As Possible

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I was thinking about the robot fantasies of the 1960s and 1970s and the robot realities of the 21st Century this weekend as I read a remarkable report from the World Economic Forum in Davos by the New York Times' Kevin Roose. It described in detail how the world’s billionaires and their powerful friends are talking about an automated near-future in which millions of jobs from truck driver to bookkeeper to newspaper journalist are replaced by machines. It’s a development all but guaranteed to cause massive societal upheaval but the grand poobahs of technology are powerless to stop it...because, you know, shareholders.

Roose reported that the executives talked at the posh Swiss report in business babble about a “Fourth Industrial Revolution” and even spoke with empathy — in public, anyway — of a “safety net” for tomorrow’s displaced workers, while in private “these executives tell a different story: They are racing to automate their own work forces to stay ahead of the competition, with little regard for the impact on workers.” The Times columnist quoted Mohit Joshi, president of the information technology firm Infosys, as saying that CEOs who once had been thinking of gently trimming their workforce because of automation are now thinking bigger, that, "Now they’re saying, ‘Why can’t we do it with 1 percent of the people we have?’”

It’s hard to quantify how fast this is happening, but Roose made it pretty clear that executives under pressure to deliver high quarterly profits for their shareholders (and under zero pressure to worry about stuff like the unemployment rate) are movingly quick to to create a labor market where the hiring outlook is a lot better for robots than for human beings. The columnist even quoted one tech guru predicting that artificial intelligence, or AI, will eliminate 40 percent (!!!) of the world’s jobs in 15 years. And you thought voters were mad in 2016?

Roose’s column stood out because there was less reporting from the annual confab of the world’s elite at Davos than in past years — Team Trump was grounded by the government shutdown, newsrooms and travel budgets are shrinking and the journalists who are still working have been swamped by the massive garbage slick that is the Trump presidency. They spent the weekend covering the ephemeral — the political body slam of Trump by Nancy Pelosi (or Nancy, as I call her) and Roger Stone’s Nixonian salute, on endless loop — while the world’s richest (mostly) men were plotting to change life on earth as we know it.

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http://www.philly.com/opinion/commentary/robots-replacing-jobs-artificial-intelligence-presidential-election-davos-20190129.html

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Deb

(3,742 posts)
1. Have you seen the AI piece work offered online?
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 09:11 AM
Feb 2019

I'm shocked at the lack of quality control that goes into those jobs. It seems a perfect setup for destroying corporate competition and other evil doing aims.

hedda_foil

(16,379 posts)
3. "artificial intelligence, or AI, will eliminate 40 percent (!!!) of the world's jobs in 15 years."
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 11:02 AM
Feb 2019
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hedda_foil

(16,379 posts)
2. "artificial intelligence, or AI, will eliminate 40 percent (!!!) of the world's jobs in 15 years."
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 10:59 AM
Feb 2019
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SWBTATTReg

(22,205 posts)
4. Interesting. But I don't think this automated technogy / AI will eliminate 40% of the ...
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 11:07 AM
Feb 2019

world's jobs in 15 years. No way. Highly optimistic and way way too early. I've been in jobs where we analyzed new technology and its possible impacts on various platforms in the company where I worked, and even our limited scope/review of technology and its impact in the workplace (within our industry) was way overestimated, that is, in 10 years, this gee whiz technology will be here 100% etc. The estimates were way off. I'm talking scales off. Instead of 10 years, round it up to 30-40 years and maybe higher.

Just because technology is here (or will be) doesn't mean someone is going to spend money or labor to bring it in, e.g., costs $1,000,000 to bring in, yet costs only current ongoing costs are $10,000 to run annually manually (costs benefit ratio rate of return is still too high). However, there will be areas where this will impact operations. These types of operations (less manpower) lend themselves to industries in space too, so perhaps a harbinger of things to come?





Farmer-Rick

(10,240 posts)
5. Good point
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 11:23 AM
Feb 2019

This is great. So, much less work for all of us to do.

The problem lies not in the use of AI but in our economic system. Right now, only a handful of over capitalized, trust fund babies, grown old, get to keep the majority of our wealth. Our economic system concentrates the capital into a few hands making others beg and suffer to survive; as a feature of the system. Why? Why should Putin be able to amass several fortunes while the average Russian lives off of $5,000 a year? Why should Gates be able to to buy 10,000s of houses when 10,000s of people are living in the streets?

Artificial intelligence is coming, not as quickly as the lazy rich want, but it is coming. We have to develop a much better system of distributing the profit from our labor then what we have now. AI should be a good thing. It is a bad thing because of capitalism. This system is broken and can not adapt to changes in industry much like feudalism and slavery could NOT adapt.

Jim__

(14,095 posts)
6. It's lethal autonomous weapons systems that really concern me.
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 11:32 AM
Feb 2019

From wikipedia:

Current US policy states: "Autonomous … weapons systems shall be designed to allow commanders and operators to exercise appropriate levels of human judgment over the use of force."[18] However, the policy requires that autonomous weapon systems that kill people or use kinetic force, selecting and engaging targets without further human intervention, be certified as compliant with "appropriate levels" and other standards, not that such weapon systems cannot meet these standards and are therefore forbidden.[19] "Semi-autonomous" hunter-killers that autonomously identify and attack targets do not even require certification.[19] Deputy Defense Secretary Robert Work said in 2016 that the Defense Department would "not delegate lethal authority to a machine to make a decision", but might need to reconsider this since "authoritarian regimes" may do so.[20] In October 2016 President Barack Obama stated that early in his career he was wary of a future in which a US president making use of drone warfare could "carry on perpetual wars all over the world, and a lot of them covert, without any accountability or democratic debate".[21][22]


With a large portion of the working class becoming surplus and political power coming under the control of the billionaire class, I am concerned about how these autonomous weapons may be used.

Harker

(14,112 posts)
10. Even the stupidest of them understand that
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 12:17 PM
Feb 2019

their customer base needs to be larger than a handful of people who service the machines that service the machines.

I hope.

Texin

(2,600 posts)
9. Exactly! I've been carping about this for years.
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 12:02 PM
Feb 2019

The rich GOPers are just emotionally empty enough to only want to interact with automatons and those slick rich folk like themselves too.

appalachiablue

(41,201 posts)
11. Well done article, TY. We should be preparing for this mass change
Sun Feb 3, 2019, 02:22 PM
Feb 2019

now and full speed, like Climate Change..

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