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Zorro

(15,751 posts)
Fri May 8, 2020, 09:30 PM May 2020

Soaring joblessness could shake U.S. economy, politics for years

Eye on lessons from the Great Depression and 2008 crisis

The United States is facing a political and economic challenge like nothing it has seen in nearly 100 years.

Mass unemployment on a scale not seen since the Great Depression has erased the economic gains of the past decade and now threatens to linger for years, fueling social discord and shaking an already polarized political system.

Almost overnight, it seems, the U.S. economy, which just two months ago boasted abundant jobs and soaring stock values, has become a shambles. Not since the government began collecting official data in 1948 has a smaller share of the U.S. population been employed.

The unique character of this economic collapse, triggered by an ongoing public health crisis, may lead to an enduring decline in the demand for labor. While the pandemic rages, companies are developing new ways to operate with fewer people, replacing the lost workers with machines that are impervious to illness.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/05/08/jobs-coronavirus-unemployment-economy-politics/
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Soaring joblessness could shake U.S. economy, politics for years (Original Post) Zorro May 2020 OP
Oddly Enough the Stock Market Has Recovered Nicely Indykatie May 2020 #1
Low return rate on bonds are driving the money into stocks Zorro May 2020 #2
True.. I'll take my low return rate on safe bonds! Especially since dotard's idiots just Thekaspervote May 2020 #9
the stock market is disconnected from just about everything NRaleighLiberal May 2020 #3
I am aware of... Newest Reality May 2020 #4
this is gonna push tech hard. you are correct. mopinko May 2020 #6
Yes, Newest Reality May 2020 #7
i have a friend mopinko May 2020 #8
Lefties started the home schooling movement. murielm99 May 2020 #11
Yes it will! There will be some good, but will throw many out of work that are not able to step up Thekaspervote May 2020 #10
Replace all the workers you want with robotics. 3Hotdogs May 2020 #12
I do NOT understand the stock market- dawg day May 2020 #5

Indykatie

(3,697 posts)
1. Oddly Enough the Stock Market Has Recovered Nicely
Fri May 8, 2020, 09:35 PM
May 2020

There seems to be a total disconnect between the high unemployment and the market.

Thekaspervote

(32,813 posts)
9. True.. I'll take my low return rate on safe bonds! Especially since dotard's idiots just
Fri May 8, 2020, 11:43 PM
May 2020

Borrowed 2.9+ T bucks!

The market may have recovered... temporarily. long term, it’s on very shaky ground

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
4. I am aware of...
Fri May 8, 2020, 09:40 PM
May 2020

I am aware of the potential impact of the 4th Industrial Revolution and it is already in progress.

This article brought something up that I hadn't considered, and that is, the pandemic will encourage the adoption of more robotics and AI to replace workers at a faster pace.

Contrary to fairy stories that there will be an equal amount of jobs generated by that revolution, (using comparisons to past industrial revolutions) I haven't seen anything that indicates that there will be new jobs in the amounts needed to support the population at large. The jobs it does generate will be mostly highly technical and require intensive training and degrees, which will leave out many available current workers. Ah, robot dusters will not be a specialty, so to speak.

Keep in mind that, even though AI is young and does not live up to some of the luster and sci-fi in its aura, it is still going to impact white collar jobs and professions that one would assume would be vulnerable, so it is not just about automated labor.

We all know what that portends for most of us. Yang was trying to get that across. We would really have to be revamping the economy to account for this, (or go Banana Republic Dystopia quickly) despite the pandemic, and now it looks to be essential and a high priority ASAP. This is very bad time to have Republicans in control. Very bad.

mopinko

(70,275 posts)
6. this is gonna push tech hard. you are correct.
Fri May 8, 2020, 10:19 PM
May 2020

wont all be bad. lots of folks have been trying to convince bosses that they could work from home.
now they have the data. dying to know what it will show.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
7. Yes,
Fri May 8, 2020, 10:32 PM
May 2020

And that will apply to a certain sector of workers. It is doable.

I did read an article about that that was a horror story though, because in the cases presented the employers were micro-managing the at home employees time on the computer to extreme degrees. Something to the effect that Amazon micro-manages the warehouse workers down to the microsecond.

That's rather stressful and certainly not desirable in the long-term as it can cause some psychological distress and burn out.

I realize there may be more reasonable at home scenarios depending on the company, but cracking the whip is not at all reasonable. It should be about the workload and what gets done, not timing your bathroom breaks and keystrokes. That's technology as dystopia and a hellish chain to the bottom-line.

mopinko

(70,275 posts)
8. i have a friend
Fri May 8, 2020, 10:40 PM
May 2020

who spends half his work days on fb, but now that he is working from home, not so much.

i am sorta hoping a lot of kids wont go back to school. home schooling has a bad rap from the fundie end, but the lefty homeschoolers are actually pretty amazing.
have a neighbor working from home, and his 5yo seems a little aspie to me.
wife is a full time mom, so it would be real doable for them. reminds me so much of my son, who is also probably on the spectrum. wasnt a word for that when we homeschooled, i just knew this kid couldnt sit w his mouth shut all day and survive.

i envy those parents now who are being handed everything they need.
i have to build the plane while flying.

ftr, this one still hates me for it, but he got a phd in math on a full boat, so...

murielm99

(30,778 posts)
11. Lefties started the home schooling movement.
Sat May 9, 2020, 01:59 AM
May 2020

Fundies took over and gave it a bad name.

I am a retired librarian. I always respected the way the homeschoolers used all the resources of the library for their kids. Many of the fundies did that, as well as the normal people.

Thekaspervote

(32,813 posts)
10. Yes it will! There will be some good, but will throw many out of work that are not able to step up
Fri May 8, 2020, 11:48 PM
May 2020

As you said... AI dusters. That part is very sad

3Hotdogs

(12,442 posts)
12. Replace all the workers you want with robotics.
Sat May 9, 2020, 07:56 AM
May 2020

Then you end up with loads of shit being made and nobody with any money to buy it because they are unemployed and exhausted their unemployment benefits. That was preceded with Clinton's "Ending welfare as we know it."

Henry Ford figured out that if they ain't got no money, they can't buy his cars.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
5. I do NOT understand the stock market-
Fri May 8, 2020, 10:12 PM
May 2020

What are the investors seeing that makes them optimistic?

If the Dow dropped another 5-10K points, I'd say there might be a lot of bargains and it's time to get back in.
But the market isn't moving much up or down, but is stuck in what has to be an inflated range. Business profits in entire sectors are going to be nil this quarter, unemployment is at Depression levels, and nothing looks to change very much for the better.

I'm considering a theory that the big investors are trying to prop Trump up, as the only thing he's got going for him was the stock market rise.

(I notice they didn't give Obama any credit for a much more impressive performance.)


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