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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 02:07 PM Jun 2012

On Questioning Authority

Brings to mind the saying "not big govt, or small govt, but the right govt"

I personally think that part of what we need more of still falls into the realm of "changing the conversation" -- one reason we have trouble getting traction on elections is that the GOP has been beating us in the meme war so consistently for the last 30 years that voters and even most Dem politicians have literally lost the vocabulary necessary to verbalize and understand what liberal govt is and what's good about it. The Tea Party can easily leverage the memes floating around from 30 years of GOP "govt-is-the-problem" propaganda, and I think that contributed to their success. I don't think most people have been taught a set of liberal concepts that allow them to frame Occupy Wall street in a way that translates to "vote Liberal Democratic"

but I have been concerned about how the Left is reflexively in a Question Authority mode. Lord knows, for at least fifty years our elites have been justifying that disposition, and the last twelve years have been particularly devastating. Our government has been operating on a lot of assumptions that really ought to be contested and debated. But I think one of the Left's biggest problems is that taking a really strong anti-authority stance is disempowering. After a while, the cynical disrespect for authority winds up being just as delegitimizing to the federal government as the right-wing's "the government is the problem" rhetoric. Failing to distinguish between power properly exercised and power misused winds up politically marginalizing the Left and leaving the government without defenders.

And this anti-government disposition plays out differently on the Left and the Right. On the Right, there is a positive agenda, which is to get elected and then paralyze and starve the government. On the Left, it's just an invitation to drop out. You can see this in the differences between the Tea Party, which is very politically engaged in our elections, and the Occupy movement which is more interested in changing the conversation.

As the Left, or at least the Far Left, concludes that the whole edifice is rotten and must be torn up root and branch, it tends to cede the field of legitimate power to those who move in to fill the void. Whether because of the influence of the military-industrial complex or the power of corporate money or for some other reasons, many on the Left are concluding that "legitimate" power isn't possible and is not worth pursuing.

And this leaves legitimate government programs vulnerable. The problem, as I see it, is one of demoralization and of an inability to believe in any unique or distinguishing role for America to play on the international stage. Who are we, after all, to exercise any leadership in the world when we have Abu Ghraib and Gitmo and torture and phony wars on our hands? When we have granted our elites the power to act, they have brought many disasters upon us. Perhaps out best bet is to deny them the power to act. One can focus on the treatment of Native Americans, the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow, the decision to use the Atom Bomb, the excesses of the Cold War, our misguided military adventures, and our increasing income disparity and political dysfunction, to paint a very negative and delegitimizing picture of our country. Of course, that's very one-sided. One can also focus on the political genius of our founders, the courage and conviction of Abraham Lincoln, the great political maneuvering of our elites through the riptides of the Great Depression, the rise of communism and fascism, and the atomic age. You can focus on the far-seeing wisdom of the folks who created the modern international system for conflict resolution, humanitarian relief, and nuclear non-proliferation. You can focus on the great sacrifices the American people have made for the well-being of others.

I think the Left needs to find a vision of power that it finds legitimate and that it wants to obtain and wield. And it has to go beyond the mere preservation of the accomplishments of the mid-twentieth century. We need to get to a point where we are comfortable replacing our Question Authority bumperstickers with Seize Authority bumperstickers. I say this because no one gives power to people who won't even seek it. The Tea Partiers are seeking power. We, on the Left, are really not.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2012/6/13/131815/415
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Response to phantom power (Original post)

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
2. We don't have a left and right. We have a center right and a far right.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 02:20 PM
Jun 2012

That is how thoroughly the GOP won the war of ideas over my lifetime.

TheKentuckian

(25,035 posts)
5. I don't get this "either extreme" stuff on any operative level in the United States
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 11:07 PM
Jun 2012

Far as I can tell it is a either a throw away line to frame the ever sought "moderation" or fake moderation in a relentless effort to move the political spectrum right and almost unerringly corporate.

I also think the little writeup is based on unsound assumptions. Assumptions so unsound and self evident that they are acknowledged and cast aside essentially out of fear and specifically that questioning an admittedly dubious system will contribute to the negativity driven by the TeaPubliKlans and endanger important programs.
So, this kat's "solution" is to elect "the right people" and essentially let them do their thing, wield power.
AKA, the same as it ever was.

Response to phantom power (Original post)

Shagman

(135 posts)
7. here's a frame change
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:38 AM
Jun 2012

The situation, as I understand it, is as if the Right has unleashed a pack of pit bulls in a park. You don't reason with them, you don't wait and hope they'll go away, you don't teach your children to wrestle with vicious dogs. You shoot them. You meet ideological violence with ideological violence. You can call it descending to their level, but I call it survival. Nothing else has worked.

Basically, these people and their paymasters, like all bullies, are cowards. If you put up a fight, they will back down. If you want a seat at the table, you have to grab someone else by the scruff of the neck, pull him away, and take his seat.

 

cbrer

(1,831 posts)
8. This is a VERY fine line
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:48 AM
Jun 2012

Plus not all will agree what constitues "right" government.

Although I'm sure that we could agree on things like war, federal spending, health care, there will be lots of room for debate

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
9. sure, the debate never ends, and never should.
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:55 AM
Jun 2012

My point is, arguing over "small govt" vs "big govt" is the wrong argument. The argument is really over "what should our govt be doing, and how."

"small govt vs big govt" is mostly a GOP - inspired framing that distracts everybody from (a) that the GOP loves big govt too, just for different purposes, and (b) that govt is the proper place to solve many kinds of problems.

Shagman

(135 posts)
10. amen
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 06:06 PM
Jun 2012

Good answer. Today I've been arguing with a local wingnut on the local newspaper site. I pointed out that the grownup argument should be about defining what we want government to do, then figuring out how to pay for it. Of course she jumped to the conclusion that I would be the one making all the decisions. I replied, "Thanks for completely misreading my comment." They're brainwashed, I tell you, brainwashed.

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