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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,613 posts)
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:38 PM Apr 25

Kavanaugh says 'most people' now revere the Nixon pardon. Not so fast.

Last edited Fri Apr 26, 2024, 05:32 AM - Edit history (2)

Edited to note that Gerald Ford would have to wait about five years before becoming VP.

Hat tip, rdsharp

Kavanaugh says ‘most people’ now revere the Nixon pardon. Not so fast.

Analysis by Aaron Blake
Staff writer
April 25, 2024 at 5:15 p.m. EDT



Then-President Richard Nixon shows off Tim, his 6-month-old Irish Setter, in 1969 as then-Vice President Gerald Ford looks on. (Associated Press)

President Richard Nixon shows off Tim, his 6-month-old Irish setter, in 1969 as Gerald Ford, at the time the House minority leader, looks on. (Associated Press)

It appears unlikely that the Supreme Court will grant Donald Trump the full immunity he claims he’s entitled to as a former president, despite his four indictments. ... But the court’s conservative justices on Thursday appeared receptive to the idea that a future president might need more limited forms of immunity to carry out their duties and not have to worry about politically motivated prosecutions — in a way that could further delay Trump’s trials.

One of the justices’ attempts to explore the practical considerations, though, raised eyebrows. Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh invoked Gerald Ford’s 50-year-old pardon of Richard Nixon, while suggesting that perhaps presidents need to be somewhat insulated. ... “How about — I think it came up before — President Ford’s pardon?” Kavanaugh asked. “Very controversial in the moment — hugely unpopular, probably why he lost in ’76. Now looked upon as one of the better decisions in presidential history, I think, by most people. ... “If [Ford is] thinking about, ‘Well if I grant this pardon to Richard Nixon, could I be investigated myself for obstruction of justice on the theory that I’m interfering with the investigation of Richard Nixon?’ ”

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Kavanaugh is right that the pardon might well have cost Ford the 1976 election, and also that public opinion warmed to the decision over the years. Gallup polling showed support for the pardon going from 38 percent shortly before he offered it to 35 percent in 1976, but up to 54 percent by 1986. ... A Washington Post/ABC News poll tested the decision again in 2002 and found even stronger support: 59 percent of Americans said Ford had done the right thing, while 32 percent said he had done the wrong thing — a nearly 2-to-1 margin.

But more recent polling suggests that’s not really the case anymore. The pollster YouGov asked such questions in both 2014 and 2018, and Americans were actually about evenly split. ... In the 2014 poll, 34 percent said Ford should have pardoned Nixon, but 32 percent said he shouldn’t have. The 2018 poll — notably conducted during Trump’s presidency and after Trump had talked about pardoning himself — showed nearly 4 in 10 both approved of and disapproved of the Nixon pardon. ... That latter poll also, notably, showed just 15 percent “strongly” approved. It’s a far cry from “most people” regarding it as “one of the better decisions in presidential history.” ... Perhaps Kavanaugh was referring to scholars, some of whom have adopted a more positive view of the pardon in the intervening decades.

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CORRECTION
A previous version of the photo caption with this article incorrectly identified Gerald Ford as vice president in 1969. At the time, he was House minority leader.

By Aaron Blake
Aaron Blake is senior political reporter, writing for The Fix. A Minnesota native, he has also written about politics for the Minneapolis Star Tribune and The Hill newspaper. Twitter https://twitter.com/aaronblake
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Irish_Dem

(47,423 posts)
1. The SC justices cannot even lie convincingly.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:41 PM
Apr 25

They insult our intelligence.

I would think with an Ivy League law degree they could at least bullshit better.

rurallib

(62,448 posts)
2. A squawk went up in our house when we heard that one
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:43 PM
Apr 25

allowed by derisive laughter.

Hitting the bong before work, Brett?

Irish_Dem

(47,423 posts)
3. They have to do drugs and drink.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:47 PM
Apr 25

They work so hard, the salary and working conditions are terrible.

We can see that they don't even have time to come up with believable excuses for their corrupt rulings.

walkingman

(7,667 posts)
5. As someone that lived through that era - that is simply not true. The only people
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 05:51 PM
Apr 25

viewed the Nixon pardon as a good thing are the same ones that ignored the Reagan Iran/Contra scandal. And the same mentality reappeared later with the George W Bush invasion of Iraq based totally on lies.

Notice the common denominator.....they are all Republican Presidents. All nasty bastards.

rsdsharp

(9,202 posts)
8. "Then-President Richard Nixon shows off Tim, his 6-month-old Irish Setter, in 1969 as then-Vice President Gerald Ford."
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 06:16 PM
Apr 25

I’ll bet that would have come as a hell of a shock to Spiro Agnew!

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,613 posts)
9. Come to think of it, yeah, that would be interesting. Thanks for catching that.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 06:21 PM
Apr 25

I'm sure one of the commenters noticed that too, but I can't do a text search of the comments.

Getty Images says this:

https://www.gettyimages.dk/detail/news-photo/president-nixon-introduced-his-new-6-month-old-male-irish-news-photo/515102318

Richard Nixon Walking Dog
(Original Caption) Washington, DC: President Nixon introduced his new 6-month old male Irish Setter, King Timahoe, to the press. Nixon paraded his new pet in the Rose Garden while Senator Everett Dirksen (L) and Representative Gerald Ford (R), GOP Congressional leaders, who had been meeting with Nixon at the White House looked on. The Irish setter was a gift from the Nixon staff. Timahoe is a city in the county of Kildare, Ireland, where Nixon's forebears lived.



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Credit: Bettmann / Contributor
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Date created: January 28, 1969
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There are no leaves on the trees, so January 28, 1969, sounds just about right. Nixon had been in office for an entire 8 days.

Everett Dirksen died on September 7, 1969, so this must be among the last photographs of him.

Everett Dirksen

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Death


President Richard Nixon paying his last tributes to Senator Dirksen in 1969.

In August 1969, chest X-rays disclosed an asymptomatic peripherally located mass in the upper lobe of the right lung. Dirksen entered Walter Reed Army Hospital for surgery, which was undertaken on September 2. A right upper lobectomy removed what proved to be lung cancer (adenocarcinoma). Dirksen initially did well, but progressive complications developed into bronchopneumonia. He suffered a cardiopulmonary arrest and died on September 7, 1969, at age 73.

Dirksen lay in state at the United States Capitol rotunda, followed by burial at Glendale Memorial Gardens in Pekin.

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Update: I wrote Aaron Blake to let him know about the details of the photograph. I suppose he'll hear from lots of people.

rsdsharp

(9,202 posts)
11. At that point Ford was House Minority Leader, and Dirksen Senate Minority Leader.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:22 PM
Apr 25

Ford didn’t become Vice-President until December 1973.

Chainfire

(17,643 posts)
10. Living through the times I felt like the pardon was a stab in the back of the American People.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:10 PM
Apr 25

The intervening years have not changed that opinion. Nixon, like Trump was like somthing you gag over when scraping of your shoes.

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