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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 04:23 AM Feb 2014

How we ruin social networks, Facebook specifically

I found out my new college e-mail address in 2005 from a letter in the mail. Right after opening the envelope, I went straight to the computer. I was part of a LiveJournal group made of incoming students, and we had all been eagerly awaiting our college e-mail addresses, which had a use above and beyond corresponding with professors or student housing: back then, they were required tokens for entry to the fabled thefacebook.com.

That was nine years ago, and Facebook has now been in existence for 10. But even in those early days, Facebook's cultural impact can't be overstated. A search for "Facebook" on Google Scholar alone now produces 3.7 million results; "Physics" only returns 4.7 million.

But in terms of presence, Facebook is flopping around a bit now. The ever-important "teens" despise it, and it's not the runaway success, happy addiction, or awe-inspiring source of information it once was. We've curated our identities so hard and had enough experiences with unforeseen online conflict that Facebook can now feel more isolating than absorbing. But what we are dissatisfied with is what Facebook has been, not what it is becoming.

Even if the grand sociological experiment that was Facebook is now running a little dry, the company knows this—which is why it's transforming Facebook into a completely different entity. And the cause of all this built-up disarray that's pushing change? It's us. To prove it, let's consider the social constructs and weirdnesses Facebook gave rise to, how they ultimately undermined the site, and how these ideas are shaping Facebook into the company it is now and will become.


http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/02/how-we-ruin-social-networks-facebook-specifically/

For a social network of 300 friends with an even distribution of auspicious life events, you are seeing 300 times as many good things happen to others as happen to you


Even if you had your own great stuff to tell Facebook about, someone out there is always doing better. And Facebook won't let you forget. The brewing feeling of inferiority means users don't post about stuff that might be too lame. They might start to self-censor, and then the bar for what is worth the "risk" of posting rises higher and higher. As people stop posting, there is less to see, less reason to come back and interact, like, or comment on other people's material. Ultimately, people, in turn, have less reason to post.


I'm sure there are similar dynamics posting on DU.
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How we ruin social networks, Facebook specifically (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 OP
I am very impressed with people who never became part of the Facebook borg Skittles Feb 2014 #1
Okay then, TexasTowelie Feb 2014 #2
FB arachadillo Feb 2014 #11
and the people who think they "deleted" their account Skittles Feb 2014 #13
Interesting assessment Sherman A1 Feb 2014 #3
As people disengage from the wannabe-billionaire mindset cprise Feb 2014 #12
Indeed. Control-Z Feb 2014 #4
I like Facebook newfie11 Feb 2014 #5
I have Shibas gaspee Feb 2014 #6
My friends are mute but LittleGirl Feb 2014 #7
my political posts don't go out to all on my friends list. Herself Feb 2014 #9
I know you can restrict your posts LittleGirl Feb 2014 #10
You sound like the people that railed against computers back in the day. Nitram Feb 2014 #8
well, I work in very high tech Skittles Feb 2014 #14
well, I didn't mean to imply that you are anti-tech Nitram Feb 2014 #15
God, sports, chicken soup for the soul crap, and former cheerleaders seeking... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2014 #16

arachadillo

(123 posts)
11. FB
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:53 PM
Feb 2014

never had a FB account...

their lack of concern for privacy over the past decade bothered me even prior to learning about government spying

in fact, eight months prior to the snowden files, I was engaged in that very same conversation about not trusting FB

In the Art of War, Sun Tzu said discover what people sincerely want or think then game the heck out of them for victory

what I said eight months prior to the release of the snowden files stands today, I feel bad for the tens of thousands of teens who used FB and put out a lot of information that can be used against them some time in their lives.

The critical analysis is not just reserved for FB. Think of Google. They also bragged about respecting first amendment rights and as it turns out, they, along with FB, built the largest stasi spy machines the world has ever witnessed.

They brag that information wants to be free, and forget they mean, we want everyone else's information to be free so we can be billionaires.

They attained their global monopoly status and made their money piggybacking on the entire National security apparatus and half the Federal Government....now they are crying foul because they got caught....

cry babies all...

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Cannibals All

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
3. Interesting assessment
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 05:00 AM
Feb 2014

Not sure if I agree with the premise, but it is an interesting theory. I use FB mostly as a general, social and political news feed, a method to keep up with the local library, some businesses of which I have an interest, the botanical garden, history museum and some friends from around the country that otherwise I would not. It's like anything else in life, depends upon how you use it.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
12. As people disengage from the wannabe-billionaire mindset
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 03:24 PM
Feb 2014

...they become less tolerant of all the self-boosterism on a site like facebook. They stop thinking 'This is going to happen to me any day now', and start realizing that more and more users are following fewer and fewer successful people. They may even start questioning why things have turned out the way they did.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
5. I like Facebook
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 06:44 AM
Feb 2014

I have newfoundland dogs and talk to people around the world that have them. It is a great way to meet people in other countries.

It is also great to keep up with my kids and grandkids. Yes my grandkids still use it.

gaspee

(3,231 posts)
6. I have Shibas
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 07:39 AM
Feb 2014

And for the first time, it's easy to talk to Nihon Ken Honzonkai (The Association for the Preservation of the Japanese Dog) breeders and network with people all over the world who are interested in the preservation and improvement in health of this ancient breed.

I have about 2500 facebook friends and it is all dog people. Younger people do not realize just how hard it was to share pictures and information before the internet age and before digital cameras.

The advances in genetic research in health testing alone are amazing.

I don't think I'd use it other than the dogs.

LittleGirl

(8,292 posts)
7. My friends are mute but
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:33 AM
Feb 2014

I am a member of groups that suffer with my disease and I have learned more from them than I have from the doctors. It's been life saving to me to learn these things and I am grateful for facebook. Out of respect for my Mother, I don't post political opinions there (much). She doesn't want to see or read about it and she's a liberal living in a red state.

Herself

(185 posts)
9. my political posts don't go out to all on my friends list.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:18 AM
Feb 2014

you can choose who see's what when you post.

I'm an independent living in a red state.
This state is loaded (pun intended) with gun nuts, wing nuts, and all the violence that goes with. I'm not anti gun, but I"m not pro nut job open carry at the local drive thru, grocery store type either.

NY has extremist gun laws, my peeps there are pro gun, with human responsibility. Not favored with the NRA, but not thoughtless of the root cause of gun violence either.

I walk between them..

I chose the audience I share with.

LittleGirl

(8,292 posts)
10. I know you can restrict your posts
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:54 AM
Feb 2014

but I don't have that many 'friends' in facebook either so I just don't post much. Very generic stuff actually. I read more than anything.

Nitram

(22,956 posts)
8. You sound like the people that railed against computers back in the day.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 09:37 AM
Feb 2014

Facebook is just a tool. What it "does to you" depends on how you use it. I keep up with friend all over the world who I never get to see anymore, but can exchange photos, and jokes and opinions in a non-intrusive way. Those who are interested will comment or reply. I keep up with family spread out across the U.S. from coast-to-coast, and when we do get together, we know more about what has gone on in their lives since last we met. Of course, I never was an avid letter-writer because I hated the delay between writing a missive and receiving a reply (at least 2 weeks when I was living in Japan). I've had enough experience on the internet (since the 1980s) to avoid and evade nasty conflicts. I suspect teens and others may just need more experience to figure out if and how to use Facebook. That said, there is no reason people who are uncomfortable with Facebook need to use it at all.

Skittles

(153,298 posts)
14. well, I work in very high tech
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 04:34 PM
Feb 2014

so no I wasn't one of those folk "back in the day"....I am not anti-technology. It is very possible to "keep up" with your friends and family without fb - it just takes more effort. Just like I could tell what a bush presidency would mean before he served even one day in office, I could see where something like fb would lead. And it ain't pretty!

Nitram

(22,956 posts)
15. well, I didn't mean to imply that you are anti-tech
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 12:57 PM
Feb 2014

Just that, like the late adopters of computers, you may fail to understand that FB 's effect on us depends entirely on how we use the site. FB is a very useful tool in my life. My parents thought getting a phone answering machine would make relationships less personal. They failed to understand that when they called me in Japan and I wasn't home, I'd call them back as soon as I got home.

So, I'm curious, could you describe for me the dark future you fear FB will lead us into?

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
16. God, sports, chicken soup for the soul crap, and former cheerleaders seeking...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 05:23 PM
Feb 2014

"you're STILL so pretty!" validation... that's pretty much all I see from former classmates. I lost interest in Facebook pretty quickly, but LOVE it for animal rescue activity.

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