Wouldn't it be wonderful if more of our party could be as forthright as her?

which won't happen because WARREN'S NOT RUNNING AND HAS PLEDGED FEALTY TO HILLARY!!!

Can you imagine:

Warren: "I think it's time that the wealthiest Americans pay taxes at the same rate as the working poor - or maybe even a little more!"
Hillary: "Larry Summers, our next head of all financial stuff and a personal friend, says that would be a bad thing for the Job Creators!"

Point Hillary!

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

... post anything to the effect that Hillary would wipe the floor with Warren in a debate? I don't think I've seen anyone take that stance. Or anything close to it.

What is it that causes you to struggle to support Warren on her own merits, and instead attack other Democrats, as if by doing so, you've elevated Warren in some way?

I understand that here on DU, some folks love that stuff ... but that's probably not the way you'll get average Democrats who already like Hillary, to give Warren an objective look, as a realistic alternative to Hillary.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong.

as it is about Manny.

Actually did say Hillary would wipe the floor with Warren here
on DU. I am on my phone so I can't bring it up right now. I bookmark every
Warren post. Manny quoted a member with that.
I am a Hugh Warren fan. She will play a part in the 2016 bid for the WH.
I for one will sell my soul to see her POTUS!

I do not mean to start a war but Warren made some claims that she is a Native American decedent. This turned out to be a fantasy. I am of Native American blood, on the books and very proud of my heritage.

This lady greatly offended me and many other Native Americans. I do not trust anything she claims. I guess you may say I never know which fork of her tongue she is speaking from.

It seems others in here worship her but the Original Americans I know look at her with disgust.

Like most people who consider themselves to be Jewish, I have no evidence other than my parents telling me that I am.

Should I not say that I'm Jewish?

Warren simply said she was because it was a family tale. She made no effort to insure the validity of her claim to be the decedent of Native Americans before she used it to establish her minority status at a major teaching university. She used a unsubstantiated rumor to claim something she has no right to claim. Research quickly established that neither she, nor her ancestors, are on the books of any tribe.
Please do not try and white wash this insult to the Native American People. It happened and they loudly objected and were and still are insulted. They/we have a right to these feelings. Warren is responsible for the words she speaks and for the information she puts on official documents.
Would you stand up and tell a black person how they should feel about a black heritage issue?
Please give the original Americans the same respect.

I'm sorry about the dispare about ur heritage. Maybe it was not intentional, and she too had information that made her think she qualified.
One thing I wish u would keep in mind, is that the "other" contender
Hillary Clinton has so much more intentional baggage left from :Venice Foster, Whitewater, her close connections to banks and wall street, not to mention Benghazi, and so much more. She has so much to attack, it would be endless.
I am already hearing from the GOP side, "WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE"!
I am already tired of it and we have 3 1/2 years left to fight all her battles. I prefer not to. Warren would b a Strong pic and she comes with a virtually clean slate. She champions for the People, not like Hillary who champions for corporations and Wall Street. I would like to see Warren as our candidate 2016 , hope I get my wish!!!! I also hope u are able to overlooked one mistake, even as large as it is and vote for the best candidate. Warren 2016..... thank u for ur kindness and time to read my post. Imho, it is what makes sense for America. Look at Warren again, u may see a whole new side of her, after u lay to the side her one mistake. I sure hope so....Have a beautiful day!

I don't believe that...unless what you say are average Democrats are third way Democrats.

But I will make a prediction...that if Hillary wins the nomination we will say hello to a GOP president in 17...and the third way Democrats will blame progressives for it.
And then the corporate masters can finish the job on us, and make this the country that they want to see.
Only someone new that speaks to the populace will fire up the base and win in 16...because Hillary is damaged goods, and the GOP already has lots of ammo against her in the ammo can ready to be used.

2) No Republican can beat Hillary.

3) The perpetually disgruntled left needs to get off its ass and create some real alternatives to Hillary or it will be spending 2016-2020, and perhaps beyond, whining about President Hillary.

Whining about Hillary before-hand is not an effective political strategy.

But if you think the GOP won't savage Hillary and the media won't help them out you are mistaken.
And it will be independents that change sides, not Democrats...and the right wing will vote for the GOP no matter who they run.

The GOP will run someone new, and we will run someone old, and most people want something new not the old.

Hillary is only too aware of what will be tossed her way if she runs. Indeed, she has been so subjected to it all, she could probably cite every negative comment that will come by heart, and accurate predict from whom. Indeed, I suspect that, rather than her age, is probably one of the main reasons she hasn't announced already. Maryland Governor O'Malley is preparing the groundwork for a run, which, as an early Hillary supporter in the past, he would never do if Hillary had told him she was running.

As for new and old--it ain't necessarily so: 1980, anyone?

A Republican can absolutely beat Hillary. Do not be lulled into a sense of predestination as it relates to her potential presidential run.

We don't know who that Republican is but trust me there is one out there (perhaps Jeb Bush although the U.S. is pretty tired of the Bush family) that with the right political team and all of the money that will pour in from the 1%, that could beat Hillary.

I'm not saying it won't be difficult but, assuming she does run, she has baggage in her closet that they will throw at her. They will fight dirty. They have learned from what Obama did in the past two election cycles in terms of the online strategy, etc.

I agree that those who don't want Hillary as their next presidential candidate need to start looking for viable alternatives. Warren is not interested and I think she, like her predecessor, Teddy Kennedy, can do more service to the nation in the Senate. Who would that alternative be? I don't know.

needs to respond to every disparaging bomb thrown at us by so called "Liberals" with

which by the way a is very rethuglican tactic, and a 'not so intelligent' strategy.

"I think it's time that the wealthiest Americans pay taxes at the same rate as the working poor - or maybe even a little more!"

I think not.

Point Warren.

NEVER gonna happen.



She has already gotten "the talk":

Shudderingly accurate and prescient, and it came out in 1976.

This film was indeed prescient... don't know what to think of the reasons why the collective masses couldn't use the "take away" lesson from it, and use it to make significant changes. Laziness and comfort I suppose, like Huxley's "soma" effect (Brave New World)..

As long as you gave 'em that, you were SET.

I ask because I used to think: if we only had more women in office, there would be War No More, socio-economic issues for the people, (as opposed to wall street) would be THE major priority.

There are several women in Congress and a few in the Senate who have greatly betrayed progressive causes which benefit women, men, and their families, and have fought long and hard for. I no longer hold the assumption, that just because someone is a woman, is someone we should place faith in.

on her own life. If she were of child bearing age I would trust her implicitly to make reproductive choices for herself.

However, I'm not interested in self representation from Congress Critters and Senators. I vote to have MY interests represented, not theirs.

as you sound but I'm pretty sure you are being intentionally obtuse.

It's about women, reproductive rights, abortion, contraception, family planning - trusting women to make their own choices for their own bodies. Not sure why you're trying to make it into something else.

Women's right to choose, and our own choices with regard to our own bodies are extremely important. That's a struggle I thought we battled and WON decades ago, but apparently the struggle continues just like all other socio-economic equality and political issues.

My point is our struggle for reproductive rights is just ONE thing all Women should care about.

But the reality is not all women care about other socio-economic issues and issues of equality except whether it concerns them personally and their family's personal wealth.

Women of privilege, Old Money, the class who belong to the 1% . Who believe in Wars, and funding for arms engaging in the slaughter of innocent women and children through drone strikes or shock and awe invasions or other myriad of murderous operations.

Just to look "tougher" than the male opposition

We need a paradigm shift and women who are passionate in making that happen.

Not Women who want to maintain the status quo.

That's essentially my point.

Manny I know your kidding. Hillary is such a tool. I can't tell you how sad it makes me that that may be our choice (3 years from now). We have one party in America "the business party". But there is a well of people who voted for "hope and change" and that well is deep. I hope that well -will rise up and take control of our country. It's our only hope.
Stonecarver

Does it involve sending jobs overseas to be performed by young goats for tufts of grass instead of pay? If so, we need a free trade agreement to eliminate tariffs on this goat work.

Welcome to DU! Enjoy your time here.

Even as we tap on our keyboards she is morphing, morphing, morphing...

in the White House.

That's why there isn't a whisper of interest yet. They are waiting on her. I hate that she's another third way Democrat but if she runs, she wins.

with a list of the billionaires that were ready and willing to support Hillary if she should decide to run. And you think Hillary would "wipe the floor with Warren" in a debate in a room full of true progressives?
Don't think so, Elizabeth Warren would bring out the true liberals that will not vote for corporate owned candidates, the "corporacrats" The candidates that promise things like "Social Security and Medicare will not be on the table with budget negotiations" and then after the election is won these are included.
We are ready for Liz Warren and she doesn't/wouldn't shy away from the "liberal" label.

She has heart. She has soul. She is a fighter. She is brilliant.

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It's now or never for Progressives. I say it's now!

but then if she leaves the Senate than chances are here seat could fall back in the hands of the Repukes but then the good Democrats of Mass. could make sure that doesn't happen.

Conservatives and Republicans lied us into a war and STILL refuse to admit it.

Hard Headed Women!

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But I still would love to support her. I AM NOT A HILLARY SUPPORTER! And I'm highly offended that the Democratic Party seems to have ALREADY anointed her! Democracy!!! Where?

All this Hillary hyping has just made it impossible for anyone else to run! To me it's kind of sick AND very UN-Democratic!

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her in as we all should on our ballots!

2016 Elizabeth Warren for POTUS!

to her statement of support?

I've misplaced it.

Thanks!

TWM

I listed the link to The Hill article above. Check it out.

If you don't like their reporting, that is your choice.

Warren may chose to change her mind. In a Hillary Warren primary I would vote for Warren, I just don't expect to get that choice now.

Both Hillary and Cuomo have made the quiet, behind the scene moves and are expected to run. Warren has done none of those things but is supported by progressives who wish like hell she would run.

I am a liberal realist.

Oversight, no doubt.

Hillary has said that she's not running either. Repeatedly and emphatically.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=692379

But Hillary is different, of course.

And Warren doesn't say a thing about it?

We will just have to wait then.

By the way, the Boston Herald article gives direct quotes. Is the Boston Herald making that up?

The last thing WE THE PEOPLE need is a Hillary presidency. She would be a fucking disaster. She would continue these disastrous policies that have so damaged the nation. Hillary is establishment elite, military industrial/surveillance, free trade, big finance Wall Street all the way.

Running for President is expensive and requires a large, complex organization.

Without all that messy next in line succession bullshit that the Republicans are renowned for.

& Rec !!!

if the working poor made more money? They'd just squander it on cigarettes, lottery tickets, and creating decent lives for themselves.

No DINO she: Ms. Warren is the real, FDR-like deal!

THAT'S how a real Democrat sounds and thunders!

The lady is worth 10,000 Max Baucuses . . .

I hope she's safe.



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Yeah-----No shit.

The Koch Bros and other RW billionaires must hate her with a passion.

Big money has always had jackals waiting in the wings for those liberal/Progressive candidates
they have trouble stopping otherwise.

Without establishing some foreign policy credentials, it will be hard for her to get elected.

Also, she would have a hard time standing up to the MIC because of this (lack of FP bkgrd).

She is magnificent on domestic policy and "people-policy" though, and she has MY VOTE, regardless.

But for many Americans her lack of foreign policy bkgrd could be made
to seem like a weakness by the opposition.

BUT...
If she can overcome this, she could go all the way.

Other than the one we have been using, to wit blame/sanction/invade/bomb brownish skinned peoples.

But you know about all those scaredy-cat Americans who have terrorist nightmares.

If Warren were to run with a strong foreign policy candidate as her running mate,
it could help, IMO.

Anybody?

But I got the drift and as usual, she nailed it. Wish I had been there in person.

I stand beside you!!!

It's being framed as we rec this thread. Slowly and surely, the revolving families...hope and change, round two. We've had our black president, now we need another first, the female prez....only the one it should be, it won't be.

Rest assured, whomever wins, they will be serving the plutocracy. It's the only game in town.

Don't give up hope for progressive candidates. If the Thugs can get Teabaggers elected, we can surely primary out some of our dinosaurs and get some real people into office.

And remember this: by 2016, "Obamacare" will be referred to by the right as the "Affordable Care Act." That's because it will be the most popular new program since Social Security, which used to be a "third rail" before the "third way" (ahem, I'm looking at YOU, Hilary) attacked us all.

This is the voice of a progressive.

This one speech is your trademark Ms. Warren. Keep up the loud and proud debate. People are with you. This money issue must change and it must change now. 

not me

I want this woman to be Madame President. I will go on record as saying that our next President, no matter who it is, will be a woman.

I wish we had more like her, so we could fill up congress with reasonable people.

it`s about who is going to take the house and senate. it`s about whether or not the democrats and the democratic party gets off it`s dead asses and get out the voters. the republican teaparty has jerked the republicans to the far right and it`s about time the democrats jerk the democratic party back to the center left. if we don't there will be no unions,no fair taxation,and the middle class will cease to exist.

we will have two classes left in america.. the haves and the have nots.

I have been burned too often by candidates that say what I want to hear. When they are elected it becomes obvious that they work for, or are a member of TPTB and could give a rats ass about we "common folk." When Senator Warren arrived on the political scene, an original Obama appointee, who was rejected by TPTB, I was skeptical even though Warren says what I think.

I have begun to trust her immensely while I still have a distrust of most politicians.
Senator Bernie Sanders has been the only one that I truly believe. He earned my trust by his progressive actions and hard work for the average and underprivileged Americans, consistently, over decades.
I have learned the hard way (as most of you have too) that words mean shit. Actions are the only things that count. While Senator Warren has only been in politics a comparatively short time. her actions have convinced me that she is on our side.

I hope that my decision never comes back to bite me, but she has made me start to trust that some politicians actually do care.

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due to a majority of its voters. Sad.

why, why can't we have this person as our nominee. Why.

they still blow any repukelican senator out of the water however...

After the last Dem convention i wondered if she'd ever find it. With a little more exposure like this before larger crowds- she'll not be just good at it- she'll be great!