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Galraedia

(5,027 posts) Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:46 AM Apr 2015

Rachel Maddow - Senator Warren cites 'rigged' process in concerns on trade deal

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Rachel Maddow - Senator Warren cites 'rigged' process in concerns on trade deal (Original Post) Galraedia Apr 2015 OP

I don't think she's asking for too much notadmblnd Apr 2015 #1

Senator Watren is being disingenuous. The deal will be made public, and still_one Apr 2015 #2

But there can be no changes, only yes or no. olegramps Apr 2015 #3

It looks like your right, however, it will give Congress the right to reject it as you said. still_one Apr 2015 #4

The problem is that the Republicans support the deal and control congress. olegramps Apr 2015 #5

I thought congress already turned down fast track. There are so many still_one Apr 2015 #6

+1 Correct, GOP controls Congress so...we know how that goes. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #12

...... daleanime Apr 2015 #7

that's utter BS -- once fast track authority is granted, there's no provision to amend. nashville_brook Apr 2015 #8

They can't amend, but they can reject it. still_one Apr 2015 #9

Welcome to the Orwellian age.... raindaddy Apr 2015 #10

Nafta, Cafta, SHAFTA... Plucketeer Apr 2015 #11

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)

1. I don't think she's asking for too much

Reply to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:55 AM

Apr 2015

still_one

(92,455 posts)

2. Senator Watren is being disingenuous. The deal will be made public, and

Reply to notadmblnd (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:20 AM

Apr 2015

There will be time for the public and Congress before the vote to make their concerns known

olegramps

(8,200 posts)

3. But there can be no changes, only yes or no.

Reply to still_one (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:22 AM

Apr 2015

still_one

(92,455 posts)

4. It looks like your right, however, it will give Congress the right to reject it as you said.

Reply to olegramps (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:24 AM

Apr 2015

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/22/business/obama-fast-track-pacific-trade-deal.html?_r=1

Frankly, that seems the only practical way they could do it since that would involve Congress in the negotiating process with the various countries involved, and I think that would be chaotic.

An up or down vote would reject a bad deal hopefully

olegramps

(8,200 posts)

5. The problem is that the Republicans support the deal and control congress.

Reply to still_one (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:38 AM

Apr 2015

Obama is fully aware that if it gets Fast Track approval then it is almost a sure fire deal. There might be some opposition by Tea Party Reps, but they could be countered by a handful of Democrats who support it.

still_one

(92,455 posts)

6. I thought congress already turned down fast track. There are so many

Reply to olegramps (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:46 AM

Apr 2015

variations it gets confusing

I also had the impression there are enough Democrats to kill it, I guess that is incorrect also

appalachiablue

(41,182 posts)

12. +1 Correct, GOP controls Congress so...we know how that goes.

Reply to olegramps (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:11 PM

Apr 2015

daleanime

(17,796 posts)

7. ......

Reply to still_one (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:48 AM

Apr 2015

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)

8. that's utter BS -- once fast track authority is granted, there's no provision to amend.

Reply to still_one (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:24 AM

Apr 2015

still_one

(92,455 posts)

9. They can't amend, but they can reject it.

Reply to nashville_brook (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:28 AM

Apr 2015

I also thought Congress rejected fast track authority

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)

10. Welcome to the Orwellian age....

Reply to still_one (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:31 AM

Apr 2015

It was Barack Obama who promised us transparency and a change in how business is handled in Washington. And it's Barack Obama who is trying to push through a secret trade bill that's been written by lobbyists. And even though there have been leaks to the contrary it's Barack Obama assuring us that it's going to benefit the middle class....And you're telling us the woman who's actually trying to change the way business is being done in DC is disingenuous?

“I intend to tell the corporate lobbyists that their days of setting the agenda in Washington are over, that they had not funded my campaigns, and from my first day as president, I will launch the most sweeping ethics reform in U.S. history. We will make government more open, more accountable, and more responsive to the problems of the American people.”
-Barack Obama

Ironic, Obama's response to his own party questioning the TPP was "“Everything I do has been focused on how do we make sure the middle class is getting a fair deal.” Pretty sad when a carefully orchestrated media myth becomes more powerful that the actual truth. It's even more sad that we don't hold our leaders accountable.

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)

11. Nafta, Cafta, SHAFTA...

Reply to Galraedia (Original post)

Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:08 PM

Apr 2015

Fool me once - shame on you!
Fool me twice - shame on ME!
Fool me a third time and we need to send
thank you notes to ALL who helped perpetrate
the hoodwink. If we're THAT stupid - to let another
shafting be driven up our rears, then we obviously
enjoy the experience and should display our
gracious gratitude!

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