Criminals, one and all.

Nothing at all new here. In answer to that question, Kiriakou says,

"I don't know why the Bush White House was not focused solely on trying to stop this attack."

Please do not ask a question in the title of a post unless you are going to answer it.

If the post were designed to answer the question, it would be named "Why Bush/Cheney Didn’t Prevent 9/11"!

They knew because they wanted it to happen as a catalyst to bring military force for regime change in the oil sources of the middle east and elsewhere.

They may not have instigated it as such but they certainly expected to take advantage of it happening.

They are war criminals and should be in jail: Bush, Cheney, Rice, Doug Feith, Ollie North, Rumsfeld and all the other little PNAC bastards who knowingly created this catastrophe. The Blood of hundreds of thousands of people is on their hands.

This I believe.

because they had and still have such a good control of media they could spin it any way they need to take advantage of it- like kicking off a few wars.

and in NO, lots of training, and getting rid of democrats and replacing them with asses like jindal. one of the things they wanted tho, didn't happen- they waited and waited but there was no mass black on white violence as their racist minds predicted would dominate many elections to come.

the most important part of that media control that would give them that confidence?- the fact that the left gives 1000 think tank coordinated radio stations a free speech free ride.

It continues today as bad as ever. There is no force on earth that could amass such unified control over the media aside from the US intelligence apparatus. These agencies are comprised of people, mostly good ol' boy people. There is a huge influence of institutionalized racism.

Just imagine, they actually see the black population of the US as an enemy.

To them Jindal is an acceptably dark skinned individual that they ultimately control under any and all circumstances.

That's the way I see it, anyway.

for propaganda (Psychological Operations Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures 12/2003 - available online):

republiconradio.org

One time a friend at work said to me, "One thing about Rush, he'll always tell you the truth." I almost vomited. The guy is otherwise very intelligent and fun to hang with. I was shocked.

to think limbaugh is telling truth when he says he knows what other people think and why they do what they do - and he does that a lot even about people with little public record. he often projects like that and he always knows with total certainty.

the bullshit factor on that is one thing that's not debatable, i would think, when discussing with dittoheads whether limbaugh lies or not.

He tells his audience what liberals think in every situation. He behaves as if he has a monopoly on understanding liberal thought.

His program is pure falsehood from the moment it starts till he signs off. He goes through elaborate explanations where he builds layer upon layer of lies. When you listen you might be irritated by a lie he told twelve lies ago within a matter of minutes.

I used to subject myself to Limbaugh thinking it might help to understand him in some way. Since then I have come to the understanding that there is no way to improve anything by listening to constant misinformation. It only serves to irritate us.

Thank you for posting it!

Too many inconsistencies.

One thing IS crystal clear: the PNAC sycophants, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Tenet, North, and everyone else complicit in this tragic series of events are criminals and should face consequences for their crimes.

More hard evidence is needed. Kirakou comes off as very knowledgeable, honest, and credible. Deep suspicion is warranted, but without more evidence what we have is speculation.

Given what we do know, the Bush administration's role in this has to be:
a) Criminal negligence
b) Criminal conspiracy

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Without a doubt, 9/11 went a long way towards gaining the political capital and public support to implement the PNAC agenda. If you want to know why something happened, the first question to ask is who benefited from it.

So then, I take it you selected:
b) Criminal conspiracy

This is not woo. NOT WOO.

This was treason and we all know it.

Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld should be in prison awaiting execution for war crimes, treason, torture, violations of international law, and violations of the U. S. Constitution. Oh, and by the way, if we need anyone to "pull the switch" I volunteer.

The CIA, in a desperate attempt to wake W up, sent a special envoy CIA agent to the Bush ranch in August of 2001 where W was "cutting brush." He emphasized to the idiot W that we were about to be attacked and to put the necessary mechanisms in place to block the attempt. W's response? "OK, you've covered your ass." He then went back to cutting brush.

Then we'll have a better idea.

FTR I've been doubting the official story since 9/12/2001 and have read TONS of materials on the subject (like the first thing I ever read was the infamous wsws.com article that appeared in like October 2001 that outlined all the reasons to be suspicious about the events of that day ... I read it when it was a couple days old, and I've been fascinated ever since and have kept up w/all the theories, AND all the debunkings) ...

IMHO by far the most logical thing to conclude re: the events of that day is purposeful stand-down i.e. LIHOP (and then claim incompetence) and perhaps the leaking of the dates of the war games to the appropriate parties to increase the odds of success.

I'd also consider going along with the idea that various acts of 'shepherding' were done with these guys to assist some of the 19 in not being arrested before they could complete their task, cause it sure as hell looks that way.

AND I'd also entertain the idea that the 3 planes that struck buildings were actually remote controlled (Global Hawk) as I seriously doubt those guys abilities to fly 3 jet planes into buildings, esp. the Pentagon hit which was an 'ace fighter pilot' manuever.

I find it somewhat entertaining to consider the possibility that the hijackers (who probably actually DID think they were going to commit some kind of jih@d at the time ... but not necessarily what actually happened) got to the cockpits all gung-ho ... only to discover they could NOT control the planes, and they were being driven straight into giant buildings ... I imagine them vehemently attempting to work the controls, finding it an exercise in futility, and totally crapping themselves ...

But other than that, things w/9/11 are probably largely 'as they seem', i.e. no explosives, no missiles, the 'terrorists' probably actually did indeed hijack the 4 planes and crash them ('cept the Shanksville plane was shot down I'm nearly certain), and the impact and heat from the fires indeed brought down the Towers, etc.

However, the whole 'explosives in the building' angle really just needs to die in a fire. Pun intended. It makes all us Truther types look like crackpots and puts people off who are just now finally coming around to become suspicious, and begin investigating 9/11 truth for themselves... something which is still happening to this day.

If you're NOT a government agent put on a message board to 'disinform' everyone, I agree with the interviewer ... you should probably just shut up with the 'explosives' rants. It's not helping.

Yes absolutely incredible and likely the largest modern political hoax ever to be perpetrated.

Because of the historical criminal connections Bush and Cheney have with the Bin Laden family and Cheney with the Arabs that seriously are ignored by the media leads many to believe the media are complicit in this criminal act too.

My own personal research and working experience via the Union Pacific Railroad company shows Bush ties to support and finance Nazi fascist operations going back to through Harriman and Prescott Bush via world war two.

However, those fascist management operations are still used in the Union Pacific Railroad Company to this day. Retribution and retaliation at the Union Pacific in management operations occur even in training and safety procedures.

So it does not surprise me to know Bush has had personal business deals with the Bin Laden family for decades to build the family fortune via politics, very suppressed by the media, also using fear and torture to govern or do business as in sacking the treasury.


That is an extraordinary situation in history that anyone connected to this time line siding with Bush and Cheney are going down in history as that part of the Republican Party first to betray the American people in war policy and in economic values in proportion where they no longer are a workable political entity.

From my view, this is a treasonous war action, complimented with torture staged to perform long term profiteering. These two, Bush and Cheney with the associated families should be banished from politics.

The real cover up is those so called issues Hillary Clinton has with Benghazi, or other issues that so called Republican Congress need investigation. These political people are digging in to cover up the 911 screw ups as much and as fast as they can.

Very good post Brett_jv would like to see more...Bush and Cheney family need to be drummed out of politics at least by popular opinion because the mainstream media lost its political moral compass.

intact and standing with the crumpled remains of the planes sitting inside ready to be forensically examined, complete with black box recordings, body remains, passengers' deathbed recordings and hand-written messages.

There is a reason why the ground zero air quality was given the ok when it was known to be highly toxic. If the workers were kept away from the site because of air quality issues, someone might have had time to slow the movement of the wreckage to China long enough to properly study it like any crime scene should be studied. But there were important people shitting their pants that some clues might be found in the rubble if it sat around too long. So they gave the ok on the air quality so the hasty shipments of steel to the Chinese smelting plants could proceed in high gear.

Make cracks about "truthers" and "crackpots" at your own risk. Your comments qualify you too. The best we can do is try to ascertain the truth based on the verifiable events, the major players' stated goals, their past behaviors, their pattern of lies, the money trail, etc..

Three buildings fell down on the same day, in the same way, despite being damaged in totally random and irregular ways, and against all historical precedence. And it lead to a preposterously huge insurance payout to one single person. I don't believe those are all coincidences.

So interesting to hear a CIA officer's perspective.

Remember one other guy who helped in PNAC...Jebbie Bush...he signed his name to it.