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Video from 1989 on climate change (previously aka "The Greenhouse Effect") (Original Post) AZ Progressive Jun 2015 OP
My favorite quote by Isaac Asimov swilton Jun 2015 #1
+1 valerief Jun 2015 #4
Quibble: The greenhouse effect isn't the same thing as climate change D Gary Grady Jun 2015 #2
Sounds like Muller is a true skeptic -- freedom fighter jh Jun 2015 #3
Video from 1989 on climate change (previously aka "The Greenhouse Effect") ericthered1975 Jun 2015 #5
 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
1. My favorite quote by Isaac Asimov
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 09:50 PM
Jun 2015

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”

D Gary Grady

(133 posts)
2. Quibble: The greenhouse effect isn't the same thing as climate change
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 01:53 AM
Jun 2015

Last edited Fri Jul 3, 2015, 08:45 PM - Edit history (1)

The greenhouse effect refers to the fact that certain gases in the atmosphere (such as methane, carbon dioxide, other hydrocarbons, and water vapor) absorb some of the radiant heat that would otherwise dissipate into space, basically acting like a blanket. The greenhouse effect in itself is a good thing, because otherwise the Earth would largely be frozen over. The problem, as I'm sure you know, is that we're pumping more greenhouse gases into the air, intensifying the greenhouse effect and leading to global warming, which causes not just to warmer weather but many types of climate change.

The Earth as been both warmer and cooler over its existence, but the rate of warming over the past several decades is anomalously rapid, averaging 10 or 20 times as fast as during during the ending of the last ice age, for example. This makes it harder for life to adapt.

Humans are causing the change by burning fossil fuels, and we know this because we have a good idea how much CO2 fossil fuels are releasing into the air, and it's enough to account for all the observed change. The observed ratio of carbon isotopes in the air provides additional, independent confirmation.

I learned about global warming from the use of fossil fuels as an undergraduate physics major in the early 1970s, but it's been talked about since the 1800s, and scientists have been trying to educate the public for long time. Here's for instance is a clip from a Bell Telephone science special (produced by Frank Capra) in 1958:



(previously posted on DU but worth seeing again).

Despite the evidence, a few scientists have remained skeptical. Physicist Richard Muller, for example, thought he had identified problems with the historical temperature records used by climate scientists, so together with his daughter Elizabeth (a consultant to the fossil fuel industry) and with funding partly from a Koch-affiliated foundation he organized a team of other climate change skeptics to develop an independent temperature record from scratch. The data led him to reverse his position, taking an even stronger position than the IPCC that humans are far and away the dominant cause. Here's a clip of him describing how he changed his mind:

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
3. Sounds like Muller is a true skeptic --
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:56 AM
Jun 2015

what the deniers claim to be, but are not: questioning everything and seeking the truth.

 

ericthered1975

(13 posts)
5. Video from 1989 on climate change (previously aka "The Greenhouse Effect")
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 06:54 AM
Jun 2015

This is a discussion that keep actaual. Thanks for sharing.
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