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marmar

(77,129 posts)
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 08:47 PM Jun 2015

Professor Richard Wolff with Thom Hartmann: The Greek Implosion




Published on Jun 24, 2015
Economist Dr. Richard Wolff, Democracy At Work joins Thom. Years of austerity has turned Greece and it's economy into a disaster zone with unemployment at record highs. So why are countries like Germany pushing for Greece to make evene MORE cuts in exchange for a new bailout?



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Professor Richard Wolff with Thom Hartmann: The Greek Implosion (Original Post) marmar Jun 2015 OP
No reason why it (Greek rebellion) can't happen here? Peace Patriot Jun 2015 #1
The IMF is telling them they have to screw the people on pensions.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #2
Boy - The Greeks, of All People, Sure Have a Sweeping, Panoramic Perspective on History! panfluteman Jun 2015 #3
The way I interpret (Greek Austerity) video is the whole Idea/Reality bonniebgood Jun 2015 #4

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
1. No reason why it (Greek rebellion) can't happen here?
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:31 PM
Jun 2015

Dr. Wolff talks about Greece's rebellion as an example to the rest of Europe--that people can vote in a government that will not take any more of this crap from the 0.01%--i.e., that this rebellion is brewing in, and can happen in, other European countries, and then adds that "there is no reason that it can't happen HERE."

But there is a reason why it won't and can't happen here: 'TRADE SECRET' programming in every vote tabulation system in the U.S.A., with the 'TRADE SECRET' code owned and controlled largely by one, private, far rightwing-connected corporation (ES&S, which bought out Diebold), with NO AUDIT AT ALL in half the states and a miserably inadequate 1% audit in the other half. The Greeks still have real vote counting. So does most of Europe (and, not incidentally, so does much of Latin America). Those countries with real vote counting ARE ABLE TO change their government, ARE ABLE TO rebel, peacefully, through the democratic process. We do not have that ability any longer, and until we change this--until we restore vote counting to the PUBLIC VENUE--no reform is possible.

That is the PURPOSE of these e-voting, 'TRADE SECRET' code systems, as I've stated time and time again. It HAS no other purpose except to fix elections, and that is exactly what is being done, here.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
2. The IMF is telling them they have to screw the people on pensions....
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:04 AM
Jun 2015

The government was elected on the promise to protect those pensions.

The debt was from the prior right-wing government faking prosperity by borrowing while giving tax cuts to the rich.

panfluteman

(2,075 posts)
3. Boy - The Greeks, of All People, Sure Have a Sweeping, Panoramic Perspective on History!
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:49 AM
Jun 2015

And Greece is also the cradle of democracy. Maybe that's what gave them the gumption to say, in the words of Bernie Sanders, "Enough is enough!" And from what I've seen of him on CNN, the populist Greek Prime Minister looks like a very nice guy!

CNN, in covering the Greek debt talks, is just about as superficial as can be - all you see is the characters moving about on the stage - political drama, indeed - without ever knowing WHY they are doing what they're doing. All you know from CNN is: The Greeks have a huge debt, which they have to repay in order to get more money from the IMF; if they pay the money, they stay in the Eurozone, if they don't they split. On this, and on so many other stories, CNN is sorely lacking in answering the crucial question: WHY? Truly, that is the forbidden question to answer, because if they really answered it, there would probably be rioting in the streets!

I have been over here in Romania, the country that gave us the Panflute, for this spring and summer, and I have a friend in Greece, who is filling me in a bit on the Greek debt crisis. The basic gist that I got from her was that the other countries of the Eurozone, like Germany, etc... were foisting all of their economic problems on Greece, and making them the scapegoat. But, as she told me, the Greeks, with their panoramic perspective on history, know that, like the Titanic, the vital heart of their nation and civilization will go on...

And so, I had basically come to the conclusion that it was all these trumped up austerity measures being foisted onto a fall guy - except the situation in Europe, where you have multiple countries, is for one nation, like Greece, to become the fall guy. Richard Wolf's comment on the Greeks being the only ones with the guts to stand up to this crap was also an eye opener for me. So, basically, the whole Greek debt crisis is merely a trans-national version of what, in the US, is the Republicans' war on the poor and the middle class.

This whole austerity bullcrap as an excuse for massive transfer of wealth to the plutocrats has to do with the fact that the planet Pluto, for the past five years or so, has been in the sign of Capricorn, with Saturn, Capricorn's ruling planet, having to do with austerity. Unfortunately, Pluto is currently only at 12 to 13 degrees of Capricorn, with another 17 to 18 degrees, and at least eight more years, to go before it enters the more progressive, populist sign of Aquarius - and by that point, considering the rate at which the corporate powers that be are raping and pillaging the planet, returning to a more progressive and populist agenda will be absolutely necessary for the survival of the human race on this planet. It will be power to the people - or total extinction!

So - that's my whole take on the Greek situation - gotta go off to the Romanian Astrologers' Association's annual AstroFestival in Craiova this weekend to deliver a talk, in Romanian, on locational astrology. Toodle-oo and Cheerio!

bonniebgood

(943 posts)
4. The way I interpret (Greek Austerity) video is the whole Idea/Reality
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jun 2015

behind the TPP is, president knows that his presidential powers alone cannot dislodge the hold the banks and corporations have on all three branches of government. ONLY the people can.
So within the next 7 years of corporate TPP rule brings this country USA to its knees, the people, D's Ind's and R' will have to say 'enough is enough'. The pitch forks will come out then revolution will began. Oh yea Bernie is the warm up to educate the masses on what's going on and what they have to do to restore Democracy. Politics is such a dirty game I would not rule out Bernie is on Hillary's payroll. You see Hillary cannot say the things Bernie is saying and be elected. IMHO

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