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thomhartmann

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Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:12 PM Jun 2012

Thom Hartmann: Does Roberts calling the mandate a tax give the right a political weapon?



Mike Papantonio, Attorney/Ring of Fire Radio joins Thom Hartmann. One consequence of today's Supreme Court ruling is that the individual mandate - the linchpin of Obamacare - was redefined by Chief Justice John Roberts as a tax. As in - if someone doesn't buy health insurance - Congress has the power to tax that person. So despite suffering a huge defeat - Conservatives have latched on to this definition of the individual mandate as a tax - in order to criticize President Obama. Speaker of the House John Boehner has scheduled another vote to repeal Obamacare. It's a clown-vote, bro. So what are the political implications moving forward?

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Thom Hartmann: Does Roberts calling the mandate a tax give the right a political weapon? (Original Post) thomhartmann Jun 2012 OP
Do you notice how Thom and Mike refer to "conservatives" as fascists and sociopaths? Cary Jun 2012 #1
I like Mike kitt6 Jun 2012 #2
Generally I do too. Cary Jun 2012 #3
Excellent analysis, however, Obama may be waiting to attack, and he may JDPriestly Jun 2012 #4
K&R. Overseas Jul 2012 #5
Obamneycare......Ha HA HA HA HA anon-y-moose Jul 2012 #6

Cary

(11,746 posts)
1. Do you notice how Thom and Mike refer to "conservatives" as fascists and sociopaths?
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:27 PM
Jun 2012

Why do I get jumped on here at DU for calling "conservatives" fascists and sociopaths? Mike Papantonio is a good lawyer and he is right. He does go against sociopaths and the best and only way to deal with a sociopath is to attack and attack and attack. If you think you're going to reason with "conservatives," at this point, then you're a fool.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
4. Excellent analysis, however, Obama may be waiting to attack, and he may
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 04:17 PM
Jun 2012

be able to fight back quite effectively through surrogates. (That includes us, DUers.)

Sorry for the length of the rant that follows, but:

Let the right-wing arguments sink in and become old hat. In August, some Americans will begin to receive rebate checks from their insurance companies and honest folks will begin to ask intelligent questions.

Fact is, Americans are paying the equivalent of this "tax" for health care insurance now. We pay it to the health care insurance company and doctors of our choice. We will continue to pay for our health care insurance "tax," and continue to pay it TO THE HEALTH CARE INSURANCE COMPANY AND DOCTORS OF OUR CHOICE.

Most Americans will not pay this "tax" to the government. And those who do will pay a relatively small amount to Uncle Sam because they have figured out that they can get their health care cheaper that way. If you earn very little and can't afford health care, you do not have to pay either the insurance company or the government. Nothing changes for you either.

The things that will change are those that Papantonio mentioned -- more accountability as to how our insurance dollars, our "taxes," are spent, rebates of a certain percentage of our premiums -- of the part that the company does not spend on healthcare, coverage for pre-existing conditions, no denial of coverage due to pre-existing conditions, affordable coverage for most Americans, coverage for children under age 26 by the parents' insurance, more free coverage for preventive care, more cooperation and coordination among your doctors and between your hospital's doctors and surgeons and your family doctor (especially for seniors), less waste and fewer gimmicks like offering some seniors memberships in health clubs and charging that to the Medicare Advantage bill. (Which regular Medicare does not pay for.)

The bill will have its failings. They will have to be corrected. That's the way legislation works. The glitches get amended. But it's a great start.

And while I agree with Roberts that the plan is an exercise of Congress' tax and spend authority and not of its authority to regulate commerce, this is not a new tax. This is a "tax" that we have been paying, or at least most of us have been paying, for a long time -- at least since we became adults and started working. And if you are a woman or have a pre-existing condition (which nearly everyone over 55 has) and have been honest with your insurance company, chances are you have been paying a very high, trumped-up "tax," an unfair "tax" that will now be made fairer.

This bill will mean life itself for many, many children (and adults) whose pre-existing conditions have served as an excuse for exclusion from health insurance coverage.

This bill will mean that our emergency rooms are not filled with poor people who cannot afford health care insurance and who sit endless hours in the emergency room to get treatments a primary care doctor could render in his office more efficiently and economically.

It is human nature to be afraid of change. But this bill is not going to bring about threatening change. It will bring about positive change.

Remember when you were a child. You heard scary stories from other children and read frightening fairy tales and got terrified of the dark. You woke up, saw shadows and thought there might be monsters in the room. At camp, you huddled with your friends in a tent and tried to see who could tell the scariest story. Well, that's what Republicans do.

"The sky is falling. The sky is falling."

Don't believe it. The Republicans will, once again, be proved wrong by the facts. Let's just calmly inform ourselves of the facts and prepare to discuss them gently and intelligently. That is the best strategy.

We are going to have to be strong and unmoved by the Republicans' fear on this.

We are, as usual, going to have to hold a lot of Republican hands because they are going to work themselves into a frenzy over this. That's their high. They rev up the adrenalin and then they "feel good." Marijuana may be illegal, but working yourself into an adrenalin frenzy is not -- and that is what Republicans enjoy.

Reason and calm are the best remedies for Republican fear.

 

anon-y-moose

(200 posts)
6. Obamneycare......Ha HA HA HA HA
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 09:52 AM
Jul 2012

Both you fellas can run ......but you cant hide .....
Obamneycare..........Obamneycare...........Obamneycare.............
it's gonna stick....................Obamneycare.!!


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