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greenman3610

(3,947 posts)
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 01:40 PM Jun 2018

Long before Hansen '88: What we knew about Climate in 1982




My first teacher on climate science was long time Planetary Physicist Mike McCracken.

In 1982, MacCracken, then a researcher for DOE at Livermore, delivered a speech to
scientists at Sandia Lab. That is preserved on video.
I interviewed MacCracken in 2012, and we walked thru what has come to pass.

sobering, and infuriating.
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Long before Hansen '88: What we knew about Climate in 1982 (Original Post) greenman3610 Jun 2018 OP
Some knew about it in 1966 Riverman100 Jun 2018 #1
No one takes it serioisly until it is too late. BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #2
Exxon scientist in July 1977 Quemado Jun 2018 #3
1957 Quemado Jun 2018 #4
In 1959, Edward Teller, Quemado Jun 2018 #5
Rises straight to the top of the GOP house of cards. Mind my broad soapbox here, but... lambchopp59 Jun 2018 #6
this was an idea post WW2. saw an old video of a science thing. pansypoo53219 Jun 2018 #7
1940's Los Angeles Quemado Jun 2018 #8
G.S. Callendar (February 1938)... NeoGreen Jun 2018 #9

Riverman100

(277 posts)
1. Some knew about it in 1966
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 03:32 PM
Jun 2018

My 6th grader (1965-1966) science teacher, Miss Guzzo warned us about it that year. Greenhouse effect etc.

BigmanPigman

(51,666 posts)
2. No one takes it serioisly until it is too late.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 04:20 PM
Jun 2018

I am glad I chose not to have kids. I wouldn't want the additional guilt and worry.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
6. Rises straight to the top of the GOP house of cards. Mind my broad soapbox here, but...
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 04:43 PM
Jun 2018

I'm hearing, seeing this meme everywhere in the RW ranks: "We must defeat (and silence) liberalism"
Facepalmworthy. Not a realistic goal in the long run, attempting to pull more citizens into their:
anti-scientific fact
misguided blame frame
ignorant racism
sympathy for those poor, poor, downtrodden 0.1 percenters.
Wow, what a stack of cards destined for eventual, inevitable structural collapse from within.
We must keep reminding ourselves "This is NOT normal", and eventually, everything comes out in the wash.
Climate change will give the idiots, no matter how loud their mouthpieces, the smackdown in disasterous proportions. That will be the beginning of the end of the RW POV dominance over the falsehood-spewing media outlets. Denying science standing in the middle of disasterous flood, storms and dust-bowl droughts stricken areas? It's coming.
Pointless blame duh other guy? duh women? duh (fill in the blank here)? Dividing families and just creating rifts between those who eventually come to realize:
That racist blame throwing, continually supporting the rich to get richer eventually leads to perpetual debt cycles of the working class, and revolt.
Surely the light will eventually come on with those who aren't heading soon for the great beyond, and I'm seeing it every day how a stack of 2000 lies is getting more difficult almost daily for the RW pundits to build their delusions onto. Perhaps some of the aging sort need to consult those old articles? Some who introduced me to climate change in my own youth have conveniently forgotten something in all the hateful brainwashing.
I'm not willing to wait that long, and I've made it very clear to the RW nutjobs in my family that "they" are standing more and more alone in this deluded state of confabulation.
A few of them are coming around. The GOP has married this stack of bullshit, despite half hearted attempts on the parts of some of them to divorce themselves from this disaster and make still-polluting corporate "compromises" , they're still supporting inevitably disaster producing bullshit.

NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
9. G.S. Callendar (February 1938)...
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 09:54 AM
Jun 2018

...


The Artificial Production of Carbon Dioxide and its Influence on Temperature
By G. S. Callendar
(Steam technologist to the British Electrical and Allied Industries Research Association.)
(Communicated by Dr. G. M. B. DOBSONF, .R.S.)
(Manuscript received May 19, 1937-read February 16, 1938)

SUMMARY
By fuel combustion man has added about 150,000 million tons of carbon dioxide to the air during the past half century. The author estimates from the best available data that approximately three quarters of this has remained in the atmosphere. The radiation absorption coefficients of carbon dioxide and water vapour are used to show the effect of carbon dioxide on “sky radiation.”

From this the increase in mean temperature, due to the artificial production of carbon dioxide, is estimated to be at the rate of 0.003°C. per year at the present time. The temperature observations at 200 meteorological stations are used to show that world temperatures have actually increased at an average rate of 0.005 °C. per year during the past half century.



NOVA: Goddess of the Earth (full episode)


Start at 8:33 (for general intro) or and 11:38 (for a detail of what was knew about CO2 effects)

There is also a comment on the debate whether the average CO2 content was 321 or 322 ppm in 1985 (at 5:11)
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