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TrollBuster9090

(5,955 posts)
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 07:18 AM Jan 2019

Dear Ed: "Pre-Reagan Economics" Is When The National Debt Was LESS THAN $1 Trillion.

Note to Republican strategist Ed Rollins: You're not insulting Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez by saying she wants to go back to "pre-Reagan Economics." "Pre-Reagan Economics" is when the National Debt was LESS THAN ONE TRILLION. POST-REAGAN Economics is a National Debt of TWENTY ONE TRILLION dollars, you turd-helmet.

Let's just repeat that, shall we?
When Reagan entered office the U.S. National Debt was LESS THAN ONE TRILLION DOLLARS. He then changed the Tax Code to let the richest Americans off the hook on paying taxes, and by the time Reagan left office the National Debt had nearly TRIPLED!

And after four decades of the richest Americans NOT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES...the National Debt is now TWENTY ONE TRILLION DOLLAR!

But..but...didn't Reagan's tax cuts stimulate the economy? NO! The 1982 Recession was caused by Fed Chairman Paul Volker jacking the interest rates up to 20% in 1980. That would cripple ANY economy. Reagan then lowered the tax rates in 1981, AND NOTHING HAPPENED. The economy didn't recover until the following year, when the Fed LOWERED interest rates to 11% in 1983. Get it? Neither the Recession, nor the recovery had ANYTHING to do with TAX RATES.

Want proof of that? Every other country in the world, INCLUDING THE SOVIET UNION, had an economic recovery after 1983, and none of those other countries were practicing Reaganomics.

So, claiming AOC wants to go back to pre-Reagan economics is probably the biggest compliment you can pay her.

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Dear Ed: "Pre-Reagan Economics" Is When The National Debt Was LESS THAN $1 Trillion. (Original Post) TrollBuster9090 Jan 2019 OP
thanks for your comments, troll buster rampartc Jan 2019 #1
More history here UpInArms Jan 2019 #2
Ed Rollins is a liar and Reagan created wealth inequality sharedvalues Jan 2019 #3
Reagan had a lot of help from some other ratfuckers Major Nikon Jan 2019 #6
Ed Rollins and Lou Dobbs go together like drunk and disorderly Major Nikon Jan 2019 #4
Great line! underpants Jan 2019 #5
This is dogma to them underpants Jan 2019 #7
Republicans WANT deficits. Republicans NEED deficits. Martin Eden Jan 2019 #8

rampartc

(5,457 posts)
1. thanks for your comments, troll buster
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 07:42 AM
Jan 2019

the "tax cuts stimulate the economy" mantra has very little basis in reality.

the usual laffer apologists offer a few examples, kennedy's tax cuts among them. it is wuse to remember that rax cuts never occur in a vacuum, that the kennedy era included a great deal of stimulative spending on nuclear weapons, the space program, and interstate hughways.

the reagan "cuts" (they were accompanied by a doubling in payroll taxes, still the most regressive of all taxes) were likewise passed in an era of incredible military spending that could not help but stimulate the economy.

to consider the 2001 cuts anything other than a fiscal disaster would be hard to explain, as they began the experiment that led to the total collapse of global capitalism in 2008.

an unrepentant keynesian, rampartc

UpInArms

(51,291 posts)
2. More history here
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 09:34 AM
Jan 2019
https://money.cnn.com/2010/09/08/news/economy/reagan_years_taxes/index.htm


The 1981 bill also made certain business deductions more generous.

In 1986, Reagan lowered individual income tax rates again, this time in landmark tax reform legislation.

As a result of the 1981 and 1986 bills, the top income tax rate was slashed from 70% to 28%.

Despite the aggressive tax cutting, Reagan couldn't ignore the budget deficit, which was burgeoning.

After Reagan's first year in office, the annual deficit was 2.6% of gross domestic product. But it hit a high of 6% in 1983, stayed in the 5% range for the next three years, and fell to 3.1% by 1988. (By comparison, this year it's projected to be 9% but is expected to drop considerably thereafter.)


This article is from 2010

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
3. Ed Rollins is a liar and Reagan created wealth inequality
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 09:38 AM
Jan 2019

Reagan’s principal economic legacy is massive wealth inequality, which led to GOP billionaires buying our politics, which led to Trump.

https://blog.oup.com/2018/06/economic-inequality-politics-capital/


(Not to mention, Reagan colluded with the Iranians to win.)

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
6. Reagan had a lot of help from some other ratfuckers
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 11:07 AM
Jan 2019

GHWB commissioned Team B with warhawk hacks like the dipshit Wolfowitz who undermined Carter's presidency by leaking classified reports that the USSR had a first strike strategy, a strong GDP, and were secretly stockpiling nuclear weapons. All of those things turned out to be pure bullshit, but the damage to Carter was done and he lost his reelection because of it. It's safe to say GHWB gave us Reagan, so people talking about his greatness are a bit misinformed. Both deserve copious amounts of urine on their graves.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
4. Ed Rollins and Lou Dobbs go together like drunk and disorderly
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 10:37 AM
Jan 2019

Both idiots are what the creme-de-la-dum wing of the GOP think an intellectual sounds like.

The problem is not so much these cretins trying to pass off Saint Ronnie as an economic genius, the problem is that myth is pretty much universal among all of the GOP despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. That's why the vast majority of economists are Democrats.

underpants

(183,020 posts)
7. This is dogma to them
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 11:07 AM
Jan 2019

You are of course correct but this is like old men comparing Lombardi's Packers to any team this century.

Martin Eden

(12,885 posts)
8. Republicans WANT deficits. Republicans NEED deficits.
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 11:44 AM
Jan 2019

Their long term goal articulated by Grover Norquist is to Starve The Beast and shrink government to a size that can be "drowned in a bathtub."

Their wet dream is to dismantle FDR's New Deal and LBJ's Great Society, but their problem has always been that Social Security and Medicare have too much popular support.

Since they can't win by direct assault, their strategy is to starve the government of funds and convince the public hard choices have to be made because these programs are no longer affordable.

The only way to do that is with
Huge.
Budget.
Deficits.

Republicans claim to be fiscal conservatives but that is a BIG LIE and has been since Reagan.

It's tempting to think the R's are stupid when their fiscal policies repeatedly cause higher deficits and they stick to the failed trickle down theory no matter what.

Try considering that their policies are actually having the desired effect. They're starving our government of funds and imperiling the earned benefits we already paid for, while rewarding the rich motherfuckers who financed their political careers.

This needs to be the common wisdom about the Party of Reagan and Trump. OAC and other spirited young members of Congress are the ones who will drive that message until it sinks in.

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