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sl8

(14,016 posts)
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 08:58 AM Nov 2017

Why it's "Abso-fuckin'-lutely", not "Ab-fuckin'-solutely"

From DexterousTongue

The English Expletive Infix

If you’re a native speaker of English you’ve probably heard (and maybe used) what linguists call the “expletive infix”—that’s when you insert an emphasizing “fuckin'” right inside of another word. For example:



Since it’s “just” swearing, you might think that this process would be linguistically crude, and maybe kind of random—but in fact, expletive infixation is systematic, and requires a very precise calculation of where to put the infix (i.e. the inserted “fuckin'”). Observe, as evidence of this, how weird it sounds if you put the infix the “wrong” position, even by one syllable:



There must be some kind of pattern that we all unconsciously learn and follow. But obviously no-one taught us this rule in grammar school. And most of us don’t even get to hear that many examples. Yet somehow, we all have strong, clear, and subtle, judgements about where the infix properly fits.

All of which leads to the questions for this post: (i) what the heck is this pattern that we follow? And (ii) how the heck did we learn it?

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Why it's "Abso-fuckin'-lutely", not "Ab-fuckin'-solutely" (Original Post) sl8 Nov 2017 OP
I must say True Dough Nov 2017 #1
ipso facto ? earthshine Nov 2017 #2
My guess was "always just before a stressed syllable" which is pretty close ... eppur_se_muova Nov 2017 #3
Interesting! You don't think about it; you just do it, like the Order of Adjectives rule The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #4
You're right, it's very much like that. sl8 Nov 2017 #5
I just ordered the book, and I got to thinking about a description of Dolt 45 The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #7
Accurate, descriptive, all the categories, and properly sequenced. sl8 Nov 2017 #8
Meter. (n/t) Iggo Nov 2017 #6
Well from now on OriginalGeek Nov 2017 #9
What are you, some kinda rebel or somethin'? n/t sl8 Nov 2017 #10

eppur_se_muova

(36,317 posts)
3. My guess was "always just before a stressed syllable" which is pretty close ...
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 11:24 AM
Nov 2017

... without all the details about "beat" and "feet".

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,993 posts)
4. Interesting! You don't think about it; you just do it, like the Order of Adjectives rule
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 12:54 PM
Nov 2017

which we also obey without thinking about it.

If you’re using more than one adjective before a noun, they are subject to a certain hierarchy. You know it’s proper to say “silly old fool” and wrong to say “old silly fool”, but you might never have thought about why – or if you did you probably imagined it was just some time-honoured convention you picked up by rote. But it isn’t. There’s a rule.

The rule is that multiple adjectives are always ranked accordingly: opinion, size, age, shape, colour, origin, material, purpose. Unlike many laws of grammar or syntax, this one is virtually inviolable, even in informal speech. You simply can’t say My Greek Fat Big Wedding, or leather walking brown boots.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/13/sentence-order-adjectives-rule-elements-of-eloquence-dictionary

Bet you didn't know that rule, either. I didn't. But I've always followed it.

sl8

(14,016 posts)
5. You're right, it's very much like that.
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 01:08 PM
Nov 2017

Thanks for that.

I did come across this article this morning, whilst reading about the expletive infix:

The language rules we know – but don’t know we know
Mark Forsyth tasted internet fame this week when a passage from a book he wrote went viral. He explains more language secrets that native speakers know without knowing

By Mark Forsyth
8 September 2016

Over the weekend, I happened to go viral. Or rather a single paragraph from a book I wrote called The Elements of Eloquence went viral. The guilty paragraph went like this:

“Adjectives in English absolutely have to be in this order: opinion-size-age-shape-colour-origin-material-purpose Noun. So you can have a lovely little old rectangular green French silver whittling knife. But if you mess with that word order in the slightest you’ll sound like a maniac. It’s an odd thing that every English speaker uses that list, but almost none of us could write it out.”



BBC Culture’s editor Matthew Anderson tweeted a passage from Mark Forsyth’s The Elements of Eloquence and it went viral (Credit: Matthew Anderson)

English speakers love to learn this sort of thing for two reasons. First, it astonishes us that there are rules that we didn’t know that we knew. That’s rather peculiar, and rather exciting. We’re all quite a lot cleverer than we think we are. And there’s the shock of realising that there’s a reason there may be little green men on Mars, but there certainly aren’t green little men. Second, you can spend the next hour of your life trying to think of exceptions, which is useful as it keeps you from doing something foolish like working.

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More at http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20160908-the-language-rules-we-know-but-dont-know-we-know

Sounds like a good book.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,993 posts)
7. I just ordered the book, and I got to thinking about a description of Dolt 45
Mon Nov 27, 2017, 10:42 PM
Nov 2017

that abso-fucking-lutely follows the rule: Nasty huge old potato-shaped orange New Yorkish blubber-filled space-occupying dickbag.

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