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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsWhy it's "Abso-fuckin'-lutely", not "Ab-fuckin'-solutely"
From DexterousTongue
The English Expletive Infix
If youre a native speaker of English youve probably heard (and maybe used) what linguists call the expletive infixthats when you insert an emphasizing fuckin' right inside of another word. For example:
Since its just swearing, you might think that this process would be linguistically crude, and maybe kind of randombut in fact, expletive infixation is systematic, and requires a very precise calculation of where to put the infix (i.e. the inserted fuckin'). Observe, as evidence of this, how weird it sounds if you put the infix the wrong position, even by one syllable:
There must be some kind of pattern that we all unconsciously learn and follow. But obviously no-one taught us this rule in grammar school. And most of us dont even get to hear that many examples. Yet somehow, we all have strong, clear, and subtle, judgements about where the infix properly fits.
All of which leads to the questions for this post: (i) what the heck is this pattern that we follow? And (ii) how the heck did we learn it?
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If youre a native speaker of English youve probably heard (and maybe used) what linguists call the expletive infixthats when you insert an emphasizing fuckin' right inside of another word. For example:
Since its just swearing, you might think that this process would be linguistically crude, and maybe kind of randombut in fact, expletive infixation is systematic, and requires a very precise calculation of where to put the infix (i.e. the inserted fuckin'). Observe, as evidence of this, how weird it sounds if you put the infix the wrong position, even by one syllable:
There must be some kind of pattern that we all unconsciously learn and follow. But obviously no-one taught us this rule in grammar school. And most of us dont even get to hear that many examples. Yet somehow, we all have strong, clear, and subtle, judgements about where the infix properly fits.
All of which leads to the questions for this post: (i) what the heck is this pattern that we follow? And (ii) how the heck did we learn it?
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Why it's "Abso-fuckin'-lutely", not "Ab-fuckin'-solutely" (Original Post)
sl8
Nov 2017
OP
My guess was "always just before a stressed syllable" which is pretty close ...
eppur_se_muova
Nov 2017
#3
Interesting! You don't think about it; you just do it, like the Order of Adjectives rule
The Velveteen Ocelot
Nov 2017
#4
I just ordered the book, and I got to thinking about a description of Dolt 45
The Velveteen Ocelot
Nov 2017
#7
True Dough
(17,390 posts)1. I must say
this is edu-fuckln-cational!
earthshine
(1,642 posts)2. ipso facto ?
eppur_se_muova
(36,317 posts)3. My guess was "always just before a stressed syllable" which is pretty close ...
... without all the details about "beat" and "feet".
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,993 posts)4. Interesting! You don't think about it; you just do it, like the Order of Adjectives rule
which we also obey without thinking about it.
If youre using more than one adjective before a noun, they are subject to a certain hierarchy. You know its proper to say silly old fool and wrong to say old silly fool, but you might never have thought about why or if you did you probably imagined it was just some time-honoured convention you picked up by rote. But it isnt. Theres a rule.
The rule is that multiple adjectives are always ranked accordingly: opinion, size, age, shape, colour, origin, material, purpose. Unlike many laws of grammar or syntax, this one is virtually inviolable, even in informal speech. You simply cant say My Greek Fat Big Wedding, or leather walking brown boots.
The rule is that multiple adjectives are always ranked accordingly: opinion, size, age, shape, colour, origin, material, purpose. Unlike many laws of grammar or syntax, this one is virtually inviolable, even in informal speech. You simply cant say My Greek Fat Big Wedding, or leather walking brown boots.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/13/sentence-order-adjectives-rule-elements-of-eloquence-dictionary
Bet you didn't know that rule, either. I didn't. But I've always followed it.
sl8
(14,016 posts)5. You're right, it's very much like that.
Thanks for that.
I did come across this article this morning, whilst reading about the expletive infix:
The language rules we know but dont know we know
Mark Forsyth tasted internet fame this week when a passage from a book he wrote went viral. He explains more language secrets that native speakers know without knowing
By Mark Forsyth
8 September 2016
Over the weekend, I happened to go viral. Or rather a single paragraph from a book I wrote called The Elements of Eloquence went viral. The guilty paragraph went like this:
BBC Cultures editor Matthew Anderson tweeted a passage from Mark Forsyths The Elements of Eloquence and it went viral (Credit: Matthew Anderson)
English speakers love to learn this sort of thing for two reasons. First, it astonishes us that there are rules that we didnt know that we knew. Thats rather peculiar, and rather exciting. Were all quite a lot cleverer than we think we are. And theres the shock of realising that theres a reason there may be little green men on Mars, but there certainly arent green little men. Second, you can spend the next hour of your life trying to think of exceptions, which is useful as it keeps you from doing something foolish like working.
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Mark Forsyth tasted internet fame this week when a passage from a book he wrote went viral. He explains more language secrets that native speakers know without knowing
By Mark Forsyth
8 September 2016
Over the weekend, I happened to go viral. Or rather a single paragraph from a book I wrote called The Elements of Eloquence went viral. The guilty paragraph went like this:
Adjectives in English absolutely have to be in this order: opinion-size-age-shape-colour-origin-material-purpose Noun. So you can have a lovely little old rectangular green French silver whittling knife. But if you mess with that word order in the slightest youll sound like a maniac. Its an odd thing that every English speaker uses that list, but almost none of us could write it out.
BBC Cultures editor Matthew Anderson tweeted a passage from Mark Forsyths The Elements of Eloquence and it went viral (Credit: Matthew Anderson)
English speakers love to learn this sort of thing for two reasons. First, it astonishes us that there are rules that we didnt know that we knew. Thats rather peculiar, and rather exciting. Were all quite a lot cleverer than we think we are. And theres the shock of realising that theres a reason there may be little green men on Mars, but there certainly arent green little men. Second, you can spend the next hour of your life trying to think of exceptions, which is useful as it keeps you from doing something foolish like working.
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More at http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20160908-the-language-rules-we-know-but-dont-know-we-know
Sounds like a good book.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,993 posts)7. I just ordered the book, and I got to thinking about a description of Dolt 45
that abso-fucking-lutely follows the rule: Nasty huge old potato-shaped orange New Yorkish blubber-filled space-occupying dickbag.
sl8
(14,016 posts)8. Accurate, descriptive, all the categories, and properly sequenced.
Nicely done!
Iggo
(47,597 posts)6. Meter. (n/t)
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)9. Well from now on
Fanta fuckin stic is my new favorite superlative.
sl8
(14,016 posts)10. What are you, some kinda rebel or somethin'? n/t
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