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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsThe worst Best Picture winner of the past fifty years was....
The list represents the 10 I thought most likely to get votes. Obviously, you'll let us all know what was missed.
I was hesitant about Spotlight, which I think has been widely forgotten, and I considered putting Argo on instead. In both cases, it is hard to know -- sometimes even five years out -- if a film withstands the test of time.
Crash and Dances with Wolves are on the list. These are not necessarily considered bad films; it's just that most people think Brokeback Mountain and Goodfellas were more deserving.
No films are on the list simply for the reason that they were directed by Mel Gibson or Woody Allen or produced by the Weinsteins. You are, of course, free to make that call.
Titanic is polarizing. At one level, it's schlocky melodrama. At another level, it's really meticulously filmed schlocky melodrama, with an outstanding cast.
The list cut off at 1967 (fifty years). C.B. DeMille's The Greatest Show on Earth (1952) (which is a fun film at a certain level) is widely considered to be the least deserving Best Picture winner of all time, with Around the World in 80 Days (1956) being a close runner-up.
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The Artist (2011) | |
4 (20%) |
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Crash (2005) | |
5 (25%) |
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Shakespeare in Love (1998) | |
1 (5%) |
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Titanic (1997) | |
4 (20%) |
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Oliver! (1968) | |
0 (0%) |
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Ordinary People (1980) | |
1 (5%) |
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The English Patient (1996) | |
1 (5%) |
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Spotlight (2015) | |
1 (5%) |
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Dances with Wolves (1990) | |
2 (10%) |
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Amadeus (1984) | |
1 (5%) |
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True Dough
(17,383 posts)I love that movie!
DemKittyNC
(743 posts)WTH is it on the list?
True Dough
(17,383 posts)I'm not the biggest Costner fan myself, overall. But I have watched Dances with Wolves several times and enjoy every aspect of it.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)Personally, I'm a fan of the film and thought the Oscar (TM) was deserved.
underpants
(183,014 posts)Literally page by page.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)Jerzy Kosinski wrote the book and the screenplay.
pressbox69
(2,252 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(24,759 posts)Read the book, saw the movie.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,483 posts)I rented the DVD when it was available. Great author but a tragic fellow.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)The music and cinematography alone are truly epic.
LisaM
(27,850 posts)I've never, ever forgotten her scathingly funny review of that movie, which I'll excerpt and link to. I did see the movie, and I did not like it at all, which is why it gives me great pleasure to do this. Apologies in advance!!
Theres nothing affected about Costners acting or directing. You hear his laid-back, surfer accent; you see his deliberate goofy faints and falls, and all the closeups of his handsomeness. This epic was made by a bland megalomaniac. (The Indians should have named him Plays with Camera.)
http://scrapsfromtheloft.com/2017/11/28/dances-with-wolves-1990-review-by-pauline-kael/
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)uppityperson
(115,681 posts)Did they really think we wouldn't notice the fact they were very different? Size, shape, ears, coloring. I mean, come on.
Wolf Frankula
(3,605 posts)I fell asleep. Brokeback Mountain was a much better movie.
Wolf
LisaM
(27,850 posts)You, too, must have remembered Kael's humorous review, which I've linked to above.
hlthe2b
(102,522 posts)But then, I looooooved the English Patient too. sigh (my sister HATED it)
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,982 posts)Its one of the best of the best pictures!
msongs
(67,496 posts)GP6971
(31,269 posts)Out of Africa
TexasBushwhacker
(20,254 posts)although it had beautiful cinematography and a great soundtrack by John Barry.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)And I love all of them.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)It has a following, though
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)It's the only movie I have never regretted paying to see and falling asleep in the theater.
To this day, I go into a hypnotic somnambulistic trance whenever I hear the words, "I had a..."
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Skittles
(153,298 posts)absolute dreck
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Pulp Fiction, Shawshank, Quiz Show, Ed Wood, Madness of King George....
Skittles
(153,298 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)I am livid every time I remember the so-called friends who took me to see that atrocity.
Forrest Gump was sheer brilliance.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Pulp Fiction was the most enjoyable and memorable experience I ever had in a packed movie theater.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)On one hand, it's had cultural impact: "Life is like a box of chocolates...", "Stupid is as stupid does...", and "Run Forrest, Run" are part of pop culture. Bubba Gump restaurants still serve shrimp. It had a helluva cast.
On the other hand, the film has not aged well. And it was telling that Hanks steadfastly refused to do a sequel, even though the writer, the director, and the studio wanted to.
There are many films (not just on this list and not just in the last fifty years) that have won best picture that people look back five years later and realize the wrong film won. In this case, I think most people would agree that Shawshank Redemption should have won best picture.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Really hated it.
Rhiannon12866
(206,747 posts)Thank you!
yardwork
(61,784 posts)3catwoman3
(24,117 posts)...kind. That movie bored the crap out of me. (Gump, that is.)
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)But then I'm a film enjoyer rather than a film snob. I can only think of a couple movies I did not enjoy. Battlefield Earth tops that list, but even Plan 9 From Outer Space and Glen or Glenda were thoroughly enjoyable in their own twisted way.
Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)in how the voting is done. It's similar to the way people can't understand why the big blockbusters don't get nominated most of the time, such as comic book movies or science fiction fare. It's not about popularity (most of the time) but the actual craft and impact.
And more often than not, how much promotion went into winning over votes in the academy.
underpants
(183,014 posts)in the face for Saving Private Ryan. I remember I was actually shocked that Ryan didn't win. The opening 30 minutes alone was unlike anything I'd ever seen on film.
pressbox69
(2,252 posts)Sedona
(3,770 posts)Amadeus and Dances with Wolves do not belong in poll.
Can't vote on that question if La La Land isn't included. It was completely unwatchable
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)
as you may not recall, if you turned the show off right after the award-winner was first "announced."
Sedona
(3,770 posts)I stand corrected
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,860 posts)Not on your list, but I HATED that movie.
3catwoman3
(24,117 posts)Somewhere about halfway thru, my brain was screaming, "Just DIE ALREADY!" at Debra Winger's character.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Nothing redeeming about it.
regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)As emotionally-satisfying as it would to vote for Titanic just on the principle of the thing, I can't say it was more-deserving of the "honor" than The English Patient, which totally butchered one of the finest English-language novels of the past fifty years (and, if you haven't read it, DO SO!). For that matter, I could also point to Ordinary People (another hatchet-job on a good book) or Oliver! (I know musicals were big in the '60s, but director Carol Reed took a all-singing! all-dancing! Technicolor '40s musical approach that was totally at odds not only with the source material but also with the stage musical on which it was based).
And no criticism of Shakespeare in Love, please -- it was one of the cleverest films ever, and it was rare to see a Hollywood film so designed to appeal to a literate audience (although my own pick for that year would have been the unnominated The Truman Show). By contrast, although Saving Private Ryan had some overwhelming action sequences, if you looked beyond them and the Spielberg mystique, you were left with a very clichéd WWII drama (complete with the platoon-as-microcosm-of-America) with some gaping plot holes.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)Everyone has preferred genres of film. In America, within that subset of "everyone" is a large group of people that would rather sit through root canal than deal with anything related to Shakespeare - fictional or real, no matter how clever. It brings back bad flashbacks to high school English.
I agree the film was really clever and funny. For whatever reason (it may just be me, but I don't think so), it doesn't hold up in repeat viewings. It's kind of like Sleuth, Deathtrap, or The Crying Game in that respect.
Overall, I'd have given Best Picture to Saving Private Ryan, but I agree that it's an imperfect film.
pressbox69
(2,252 posts)but the scene where Shani Wallace sings As Long As He Needs Me is for the ages. Those weepy violins break me down every time. I keep saying stay away from that black heart Nancy he's going to kill you. Funny thing is that scene reminds me less of the original show and more of Judy Garland when she did it on her TV show.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)(which is to take nothing away from Oliver Reed or Harry Secombe). And it's beautifully filmed.
The question to me is "Is it a better film than Funny Girl or The Lion in Winter?" I'd have to say no on both counts.
LisaM
(27,850 posts)She is awfully likeable. For my money, her best song in "Oliver!" is "Oom Pah Pah".
Shrek
(3,986 posts)Winning over Star Wars is a criminal travesty.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I watched that outrage as it happened. Genre films are always getting stiffed.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Lucas rips off a number of sources, and steals the plot from a Japanese samurai movie, "The Hidden Fortress".
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Spotlight was about as exciting as your average episode of Law and Order: SVU. I didn't think Moonlight was all that great, either.
pressbox69
(2,252 posts)they both sucked but the other nominees were not so hot. Three Billboards tops them all.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Not "The Room", but "Room". Period.
My wife and I made a point to see all of the nominated movies that year, and of all of them, Room was the one that moved us the most. We talked about that movie constantly for weeks. I STILL think about it. That poor little kid. What would you do in that situation?
My personal judgment of any work of art hinges on whether I am still thinking about it or talking about it days, or even weeks, later. That's what great art is all about.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,254 posts)I was so glad Brie Larson won Best Actress. The little Jacob Tremblay has a great career ahead of him if he doesn't burn out. He has 2 sisters who act as well.
FSogol
(45,586 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)I didn't see it as original or particularly well done.
Shakespeare in Love would be a close second.
FSogol
(45,586 posts)could be joyous and inventive. There was one scene where someone had a gun, contemplating suicide and then you see a title card reading "bang". The bang turns out to be an auto wreck. That type of misdirection is impossible with sound since everyone can distinguish the different in sounds. Most people I know that criticize the artist dislike silent and/or b&w films and didn't give it a chance. The Artist is a masterpiece and might be the best film out of all the ones on the OP's list.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)My daughter and I have a similar argument. I personally like the film The King's Speech. She vehemently argues that The Social Network should have won that year. Her logic is that the industry has done countless English period pieces, and that it brought nothing original to the table. I'm forced to concede that she has a point.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)"Titanic" & "Gladiator" are other examples.
pressbox69
(2,252 posts)TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)Paladin
(28,285 posts)I can live with the rest of the flicks indicated, although I agree that "Titanic" was marginal---"L.A. Confidential" was robbed, that year....
LeftInTX
(25,781 posts)Gosh....awful....unwatchable....torture
Maybe that is why it won!
patricia92243
(12,607 posts)pressbox69
(2,252 posts)Doolittle didn't do enough to win best picture anyway.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)The other nominees that year were Bonnie & Clyde, The Graduate, and Guess Who's Coming to Dinner
Dr. Doolittle never had a chance at winning.
LisaM
(27,850 posts)Gad, that was a terrible movie.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)If I could add more picks, I'd add it.
nuxvomica
(12,467 posts)As Trump is the "Forrest Gump" of U.S. Presidents: an aberration, an embarassment, a holy-shit-how-the-fuck-did-this-happen thing.
unblock
(52,494 posts)i'll agree there were aspects of that movie that weren't horrible, particularly the further away from costner you got.
but costner ruined it for me. and i'm not a complete anti-costner, he's found some scripts that are suitable to his limited range, and those movies work (field of dreams, bull durham, e.g.)
but i could not buy for one moment that costner wasn't a present day person reading a script from a different era. he did not get into the role at all and it ruined any suspension of disbelief necessary to really draw me into the movie.
but best picture?
ridiculous.
jg10003
(976 posts)Archae
(46,373 posts)Rocky was nothing but clichés.
And the sequels went downhill from there.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)Docreed2003
(16,900 posts)I saw Titanic multiple times in the theater with my ex-wife, dont judge me she was a Titanic junky!! I love the accuracy and attention to historic detail, but the actual screenplay is shit! (FYI, theres no fucking way Jack couldnt have gotten on that fucking door!!!) Good Will Hunting and L.A. Confidential are not only better movies, both have held up better than Titanic
I actually walked out of the English Patient....only movie Ive ever walked out of, and I love movies....And some are quite shitty movies! However, look at the other nominees that year! Jerry fucking Mcquire was nominated for best picture. I mean I guess, in retrospect, Fargo is a better film, but that was a weak ass year for movies!
While my heart wanted to scream out Forrest Gump , theres no fucking way...NONE, ZERO, ZILCH...that you can convince me that FG is better than Pulp Fiction or Shawshank...hell Quiz Show was better!
But no, sadly Crash takes the cake. That flick is a one watch, never watch again shitshow that tries to seem emotional by beating you over the head with its emotion....Brokeback Mountain was and still is the Best Picture of that year. Even looking over the other nominees that year, take BM out of the consideration, Munich, Capote, Good Night, and Good Luck, all are better films and have held up significantly better than Crash
jrandom421
(1,005 posts)Was when "Ordinary People" won Best Picture, and "The Great Santini" wasn't even nominated.
red dog 1
(27,916 posts)[The Great Santini, written by Pat Conroy, is one of the best novels I've ever read]
red dog 1
(27,916 posts)It won the Oscar for Best Picture in 2008.
(I liked Titanic)
kwassa
(23,340 posts)A good suspense film.
dhol82
(9,353 posts)Awful music, insipid dancing, and bad acting.
Add a ridiculous script.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)OhZone
(3,212 posts)ha
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)They made it for about a hundred grand. A pittance even in '74. IIRC, Blair Witch Project finally captured the title.
MFM008
(19,834 posts)And Amadeus? Really?
There's one that I thought should never have won best picture and that was Forrest Gump ...even though I love Tom Hanks .....it should have been the Shawshank Redemption.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)But every article, broadcast, thread or poll that deals with worst movies of any type should focus on Pulp Fiction and Pulp Fiction alone
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)...since 1967.
Pulp Fiction was nominated, but did not win.
LudwigPastorius
(9,257 posts)...a decent action movie, but Best Picture caliber?
Memento, Cast Away, O Brother Where Art Thou?, and Requiem For A Dream were not nominated, but were all better films that year.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)Obviously, I wiffed big not putting Forrest Gump on.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)and of those I did see, only "Titanic" fits on a possible list of worsts. I saw it 10 years after the fact, and was unimpressed.
"Oliver?" I saw it in 1968 and loved it. For years, I could sing all those songs, word for word, I saw it so many times after the first. Of course, in 1968, I was only 8 years old, so I probably had a different set of criteria for good movies. My favorite childhood movie of all times is Mary Poppins, which is also a "Best Picture."
I still love "Ordinary People" and watch it again every few years.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)It's a well made film. I think The Lion In Winter was better, however.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It almost seems trendy to dislike it. I saw it a long time ago and don't remember a lot about it, but I didn't think it was that awful. I can think of a lot of films that were much worse. It wasn't the best film, but I don't think it deserves the hate it's getting here.
Just curious, why do people hate it so much?
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)It went up against these films for Best Picture
As Good as It Gets
The Full Monty
Good Will Hunting
L.A. Confidential
Most critics, I think, would say LA Confidential was the best film.
What's good about Titanic: it's meticulously researched and filmed; it's a true story that simultaneously serves as cautionary tale of hubris and man vs. nature; the story has larger than life real characters, such as Molly Brown and John Jacob Astor; it's a story about heroism and cowardice; it's a story about every reason we'd all love to be rich while simultaneously showing egregious classism; the effects were amazing; DiCaprio and Winslet have great on-screen chemistry; the "King of the World" scene is one of the most iconic moments in American film; and Gloria Stuart.
What's bad about Titanic: It's melodramatic; it has some really bad writing; the characters are two-dimensional; it's really long; the whole subplot with the star of the ocean and the treasure hunt is annoying; it really sucks to think that Gloria Stuart survived, met a husband, had kids, and raised a family and in the end her version of the afterlife is going back to Titanic to be with DiCaprio; Celine Dion -- if you were around during that era, you heard "My Heart Will Go On" again and again and again (and again) for like five years; it's ultra mainstream and ultra commercial.
Cameron invokes that kind of mixed reaction. Avatar made truckloads of money, so somebody must have liked it. Visually, it's amazing. Disney is ready to make many sequels. Yet, most critics say the same thing -- it's Disney's Pocohontas with blue aliens.
FakeNoose
(32,897 posts)... if you had called it "least favorite" instead of "worst" there would be less rancor in these comments.
Some people love Titanic, other people hate it. But it sure made a lot of money and that's normally one of the deciding factors in Hollywood, rightly or wrongly. Most of us have strong opinions about whether we like the movie or not, but deciding if it's the best or worst, we leave that up to the professional reviewers and movie makers.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)It's the Lounge, and we're debating film awards. I don't think anyone is too seriously hacked off about any of this. I certainly hope not.
I'm going to respond to Titanic in another comment.
Ghost of Tom Joad
(1,356 posts)now I know why. Did not deserve the accolades it has received.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,798 posts)It should have.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,254 posts)I think you to have experienced "living a life of quiet desperation".