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ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)Time member. Everyone, except bassist Phil Lesh, okay'd Bob. Phil's dissent, because that's how things worked in Dead world, meant Bob would not join.
In some ways I wish he had. In others not so much.
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)Jerry Garcia, who was playing bluegrass banjo at the time.
Lesh was talked into becoming the bassist for Garcia's new rock group, then known as The Warlocks, in 1964.
Lesh had never played bass before.
According to Lesh, the first song he rehearsed with them was "I Know You Rider"
Lesh learned to play bass "on the job" and he credits Jefferson Airplane's bass player Jack Cassady as being a major influence on him.
In 1987, the Grateful Dead toured with Bob Dylan, as documented on the album:
"Dylan & the Dead'
I saw the Grateful Dead play many times at the old Fillmore Auditorium, starting in early 1966.
Docreed2003
(16,907 posts)Any documentation to support that?? Not being a dick...I just want to know a bit more about Fylan and the Dead, frankly!
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)The story is in, but I've. Read every word ever written about both Dylan and the Dead. Hard to narrow it down. Ill see what I can do.
Docreed2003
(16,907 posts)I love the "Dylan and the Dead" album and I truly love most covers that the Dead did...especially Jerry on "Visions of Johanna"
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)The book Down the Highway, IMP, the best Dylan bio, has the dtory.
Docreed2003
(16,907 posts)red dog 1
(27,942 posts)ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)At the time The Dead had four singers, all with songs. Add Dylan, who wouldnt be happy as a guy who only got a couple somgs a night.
Not to mention the Dead did Dylan WAY better without BD, than with him.
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)It had carnival rides,a freak show, and "games of chance"
Ellison worked as a "gopher"
One time, When the entire "Gilly" crew was arrested, the owner bailed out everybody except Harlan Ellison [the "gopher"] and the circus "geek"
Ellison refused to tell the cops his real name; but they eventually found out through a "missing person" report.
He spent several days in the jail cell with the "geek"..who was an alcoholic going through the
"DT"s....Ellison never forgot the horrible smell of the geek's withdrawal from booze, and he never had a single drink for his entire life
samnsara
(17,667 posts)...but they wouldn't let her cuz she was a GIRL!
braddy
(3,585 posts)He was given the Navy and Marine Corps Medal
[The navy's highest non-combat decoration for heroism]
He had initially been recommended for the Silver Star Medal, which he definitely deserved.
Despite re injuring his back in the PT-109 collision, he towed a badly burned crewman through the water to a nearby island with a life jacket strap clenched between his teeth, and later to a second island where his crew was subsequently rescued.
If that's not "valor in combat" then what is?
Can you imagine Shitler doing something like that?
He was such a coward that he used the excuse of "bone spurs" in a foot to get out of serving in Vietnam.
braddy
(3,585 posts)when I was in, he pulled one of us out of the river during a night jump.
There was a reason why his award was a non-combat award although a Jap destroyer and dead crew members were all involved.
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)Why?
What is your source for this statement?
braddy
(3,585 posts)for the refusal of a combat award.
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)red dog 1
(27,942 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 30, 2018, 07:27 PM - Edit history (1)
[Re: his PT-109]
"Kennedy spotted a Japanese destroyer nearby and attempted to turn to attack, when PT-109 was rammed suddenly at an angle and cut in half by the [Jap} destroyer 'Amajiri"..costing two PT-109 crew members their lives."
braddy
(3,585 posts)the history of the only such loss of a PT boat. The good news is that LBJ was awarded the Silver Star for combat heroism.
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Callmecrazy
(3,065 posts)I've heard the same thing on a TV show.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Did I wake up in 1942?
Docreed2003
(16,907 posts)Attempt to receive the "Navy and Marine Corps Medal" without performing a feat of valor!
JFK effed up by allowing his crew to be asleep when PT-109 was struck by that Japanese ship, but the actions that took place afterwards are no less valorous.
braddy
(3,585 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)He had a private jet exclusively used for this purpose.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Dickens was just 30 years old and had already published Pickwick Papers, Nicholas Nickleby, and The Old Curiosity Shop. Edgar Allan Poe was 32 and had published Tamerlane and Other Poems. The two met twice in Dickenss hotel room. During the meetings they discussed contemporary English and American writers.
During another visit to the US Dickens found out that Poe and his wife had died. However he helped Poes sick mother in law and visited her, pressed some money into her hand, and later from England contributed $1,000 for her care.
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)Very interesting.....Thanks for posting this
marble falls
(57,631 posts)flamin lib
(14,559 posts)is noted for having 100 Life Magazine covers was noted for a series of photos of famous people jumping into the air.
From the PH webpage: http://philippehalsman.com/
"Starting in the early 1950s I asked every famous or important person I photographed to jump for me. I was motivated by a genuine curiosity. After all, life has taught us to control and disguise our facial expressions, but it has not taught us to control our jumps. I wanted to see famous people reveal in a jump their ambition or their lack of it, their self-importance or their insecurity, and many other traits." P.H.
Yeah, that's Nixon.
In the mid '70s, a few years before his death, he was invited to speak at my University (then East Texas State University, now Texas A&M Commerce) because it was known as one of the premier photography schools among those in the community. I was able to speak to him personally and as a budding photographer somewhat in awe of his place in history I somberly asked him about the 'Jump' series and the revelations it presented of his subjects.
His smile was a bit sly but enough to crinkle his weathered face and he told me, "I just wanted to see if they would actually do it just because I said to. Never underestimate the power that your craft can give you."
I am also proud to be the only photographer exhibiting in the department Gallery whose work he commented on.
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...during World War Two. It's been rumored that they were all involved in the infamous "Philadelphia Experiment"...though, after fairly rigorous research into the matter, I think it highly unlikely this rumor is true. Alas. But there is a lot of weird shit in the whole Heinlein/Hubbard/Parsons/Crowley axis...
braddy
(3,585 posts)Response to braddy (Reply #15)
red dog 1 This message was self-deleted by its author.
braddy
(3,585 posts)history of this mysterious event and award. The major point for this thread is that JFK never received an award for combat valor, a fact that almost everyone in America would find deeply puzzling and surprising.
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dameatball
(7,411 posts)Callmecrazy
(3,065 posts)Go be enraged in GD. This is the Lounge.
marble falls
(57,631 posts)In article <***@news.pacific.net.au>,
***@mypersonalemail.com (Ace Pilot) writes:
<<<<>I recently came across an unsubstantiated allegation that Admiral
Post by Ace Pilot
Halsey wanted to court martial JFK over the loss of PT-109. Has anyone
ever heard of such a claim before?>>>
Yes. Court-martial charges was considered ( I not sure if by Halsey), and did
reach as high up the food chain as King (where they died.)
<<<<>Does anyone know of any sources where this is actually substantiated? >>>
The correspondence is located in the Dec'43/Jan'44 CNO/Cominch files at the
Naval Operational Archives, which, last I knew, were at the Washington Navy
Yard. I remember reading them, because I was the person who declassified them
in 1972/3 or thereabouts when I was doing my 2 weeks of yearly Naval Reserve
duty working on the WW2 Declassification Team. These are NOT the same messages
as the ones which had been declassified in the late 1950s and are how posted on
the Naval Historical Center web site.
A couple of things I remember about the correspondence....
1. The file has previously been viewed by Donovan, the fellow who wrote PT109.
Evidently, he didn't consider the information important enough to include.
2. One document was written by a Navy junior officer (and future supreme court
justice Byron 'Whizzer' White) in the Solomons. In this brief was a litany of
reasons why it was not in the best interests of the Navy to court-martial
someone for, basically, losing his ship in combat, especially one who's father
was politically connected.
Although nothing came of the court-martial, it does appear that the entire
episode really stuck in the craw of some of Kennedy's superiors. They seemingly
settled the score by disapproving his Silver Star recommendation and
substituting the unusual downgrading to the same award that was given to his
two officer subordinates for the same action, the Navy & Marine Corps medal
(for saving life, something it is theoretically possible to earn by fishing
somebody out of the base swimming pool.) Although this speaks volumes, luckily
for Kennedy's career, it only speaks to those who know how these things really
work.
Regards,
Walker
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)Who knew that LBJ would be going back into Congress, and wanted to curry favor with him. It was given for purely political reasons.
Leonid Brezhnev was awarded the USSR's highest medal, Hero of the Soviet Union, four times; each time as a birthday present.
jg10003
(976 posts)With Buddy Holly, Richie Valens, and the Big Booper. The plane that crashed could only carry 3 of the 4 stars. Dion volunteered to stay behind because he was afraid of flying.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,257 posts)The Big Bopper had the flu and Jennings gave him his seat. He had survivor's guilt for the rest of his life.
Boomerproud
(7,986 posts)is true of the argument he had with Buddy Holly right before the crash. Jennings didn't want to go on the plane and Holly said "I hope you freeze your ass off." Jennings replied "Well, I hope your plane crashes." Yes, it haunted him to his dying day.
jg10003
(976 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,257 posts)The Crickets. Buddy Holly was his mentor.
Docreed2003
(16,907 posts)The reason that plane was chartered in the first place was because of Holly, and it was chartered for his guys . That winter tour was doomed from the start with poor planning of shows and criss crossing routes that made little sense. That last performance at the Surf Ballroom was a fluke...it only happened because of the poor planning of the tour. Holly arranged a flight to Moorehead, MN, which was close to Fargo ND, where their next stop was.
Waylon gave his spot to "The Big Bopper" because JP was struggling so bad from the flu...And Waylon went to his grave telling the story, Buddy looked at him and said "I hope your old bus breaks down"...Waylon responded with "Well, I hope your ole plane crashes." That story has been recounted many times in many interviews...all I can say is, I had the pleasure of knowing Waylon and I have know reason to doubt his story.
Tommy Allsup, the guitarist for Holly, flipped a coin with Ritchie Valens for that seat...and the rest is well documented Rock N Roll history....
While Dion was in fact on that tour, his story seems, to me, to be one built out of retrospect and misconceptions at best.
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)any "fear of flying"
(The one who was afraid of flying was Ritchie Valens)
According to Wikipedia, (and they back this up with references)
Dion chose not to fly because he decided he didn't want to spend $36 to take the flight,
"as it was the same monthly rent his parents paid for his childhood apartment and he couldn't justify the indulgence."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_DiMucci
Dion and the Belmonts continued on the tour, along with a guy named Frankie Sardo, while Bobby Vee then an unknown artist, performed in Buddy Holly's place at the very next concert.
Later, Jimmy Clanton, Frankie Avalon, and Fabien were added to replace the other now-deceased headliners.
4139
(1,894 posts)Kilgore
(1,733 posts)Measuring 11 inchessoft, mind youthis mystic's member now rests in a jar at a Russian erotica museum. FIELD TRIP!
TexasBushwhacker
(20,257 posts)Too much of a good thing.
Thats what drug him to his death finally.
Kaleva
(36,407 posts)He was the grandson of Paul Revere of Revolutionary War fame
whistler162
(11,155 posts)Jim Backus and William Windom had Margaret Hamilton as their Kindergarten teacher.
marble falls
(57,631 posts)Response to red dog 1 (Original post)
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TexasBushwhacker
(20,257 posts)You can read about the case here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ParkerHulme_murder_case
Peter Jackson's film "Heavely Creatures" was about the case and starred Melanie Lynskey and Kate Winslet.
JoeOtterbein
(7,703 posts)using the Restroom. Not even a quick rinse on the way out!
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,703 posts)From a several times eyewitness that I know from New York. He saw him whenever Cruz was on Fox. The person worked in the same building.
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)red dog 1
(27,942 posts)....and the bartender says: "Nice to see you again, Senator Cruz."
JoeOtterbein
(7,703 posts)...sorry I can't shake your hand right now!
TexasBushwhacker
(20,257 posts)and would walk around the female wing of their coed dorm wearing a paisley bathrobe.
Lunabell
(6,142 posts)Marco Rubio butt fucks himself with an assault rifle.
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)He and a friend were trying to stop some men from bullying other patrons.
The men turned out to be plainclothes police officers, and Waits & his friend were arrested and charged with disturbing the peace.
The jury found Waits not guilty.
He took the police department to court and was awarded $7,500 compensation.
NNadir
(33,590 posts)...missions over Germany in World War II, although he achieved the rank of Brigadier General many years after the war.
During the war in was a Lt Colonel.
He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross and flew 20 combat missions.
There were many attempts to place him in a promotional role as a recruiter or as spokesperson for war bond sales and things, but unlike Ronald Reagan, he fought them off and worked to get, and achieved a combat role.
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)chicken hawk who "named names" at the McCarthy hearings, costing more than 100 Hollywood actors, directors & producers their jobs.
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)(Source: "No Direction Home" - directed by Martin Scorsese)
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)red dog 1
(27,942 posts)red dog 1
(27,942 posts)Bonaduce was there to host an event for D.A.R.E., an anti-drug campaign aimed at children.
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)in Wilkesboro, North Carolina, is named in honor of guitarist Merle Watson, son of legendary singer-songwriter-guitarist Doc Watson.
Merle died in a tractor accident in 1985.
He was 36.
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)sit-com ever made, including:
- the eating of a space alien
- a robotic paper-boy
and numerous beheadings
Wolf Frankula
(3,605 posts)When accompanying Soviet Sniper Lyudmilla Pavlichenko (Lady Death, 309 confirmed kills) on her tour of the US in 1942, the two would often discuss (with the aid of a translator) shooting technique.
Wolf
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)red dog 1
(27,942 posts)The original backers, EMI Films, had been scared off at the last minute by the subject matter.
Harrison set up "HandMade Films" to help fund it.
He put up the money for it as he "wanted to see the movie."
This was later described by Terry Jones as the "world's most expensive cinema ticket."
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)red dog 1
(27,942 posts)red dog 1
(27,942 posts)Wilson's home at 14400 Sunset Boulevard.
Wilson introduced Manson to Terry Melcher, who worked for Columbia Records.
Manson met Melcher at his rented home at 10050 Cielo Drive to discuss the possibility of signing Manson to a record deal
Dennis Wilson and Terry Melcher severed their ties with Manson after witnessing him beat up a drunken stunt man at Spahn Ranch, and this angered Manson.
On August 8, 1969, Manson sent his "crew" to 10050 Cielo Drive with instructions to murder everyone there, which they did, including Sharon Tate, who was 8 & 1/2 months pregnant.
cannabis_flower
(3,771 posts)had Rick James as a roommate in Toronto.
MichMan
(12,002 posts)Called the Mynah Birds
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)and left instructions for all her prized belongings, including her jewelry, to be auctioned off and the proceeds to be donated to charity.
red dog 1
(27,942 posts)He said he hated it, never watched it, that it was poorly produced etc.
His comments are probably due to the fact that the TV show became more popular than "Mash" the movie, and he didn't make any money off Mash the TV show, although his son did.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,257 posts)I liked them both, but it was ridiculous to have the series run for 11 seasons when the war only lasted 3 years. There's no reason Altman would have made money off the TV show. They were both based on the same book.