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Baitball Blogger

(46,786 posts)
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 12:51 PM Jun 2012

What animates Zombies?

There is an academic disagreement that the Zombies on Games of Thrones are not Zombies but are white walkers, which are spiritual in nature but not biologically driven. I think this argument lends itself to discussion before the final opinion is made and we confuse the masses with misinformation. So I thought a good discussion could clear up the confusion.

First, what animates Zombies? Usually it's a virus that is either transmitted through blood exposure or ingested through the mouth. Or it can be chemically induced or become a result of genetic modifications. Resident Evil seems to have capitalized on all three.

Second, Zombies, from my recollection, originated from voodoo magic. Witch doctors or Brujos were responsible for bringing them to life. So there we have an element of magic. Though some movies couldn't handle the magic angle and added twists, such as psychological suggestions given to live people; or drug induced zombie states.

And then we have the white walkers.

The one thing that they all have in common is that they can be killed by destroying the brain. Though 28 days brought in the twist that they eventually die of hunger.

So, my point is, since the white walkers can be killed by destroying the brain, they are Zombies, since that trumps how they were created or came to be.

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What animates Zombies? (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 OP
Artists and computer geeks. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #1
the holy spirit datasuspect Jun 2012 #2
But what about that hand? Duer 157099 Jun 2012 #3
Get out of my brain! Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #5
The Hunger. Rex Jun 2012 #4
Space radiation from a satellite returning from Venus? NightWatcher Jun 2012 #6
white walkers, others, wights...could they make it more complicated...please jakeXT Jun 2012 #7
Thanks. Wow, you really need a score card to keep up with everything. Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #9
FOX "news" n/t Wait Wut Jun 2012 #8
A necromancer or evil priest. MrSlayer Jun 2012 #10
What will become of Samwell? Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #11
*Samwell Spoiler* nolabear Jun 2012 #12
Samwell is us. Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #13
I don't know and I dont want to know. MrSlayer Jun 2012 #14
Not so. Reading the books doesn't ruin anything. Duer 157099 Jun 2012 #16
I'm sure the books are far better. MrSlayer Jun 2012 #17
Eros and Tanna. Liberal Veteran Jun 2012 #15

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
3. But what about that hand?
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 01:12 PM
Jun 2012

Not Tyrion, the hand that Jon's wolf found beyond the wall. It reanimated and it had no brain, so how does one explain that? Viruses that cause muscles to contract?

Also, I thought that the wight walkers could be killed with obsidion and it didn't have to be in the brain?

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
6. Space radiation from a satellite returning from Venus?
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 02:18 PM
Jun 2012

Isn't Venus doing something rare tonight too?

In Romero's Night O The Living Dead it was radiation.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
7. white walkers, others, wights...could they make it more complicated...please
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 03:28 PM
Jun 2012

I watched GoT S1, but I'm clueless

The Others, known as the "White Walkers" among the wildlings, exist north of the Wall. Before the events in the Novel, the Others had supposedly not been seen for many thousand years. So far the Others have appeared in the flesh only twice in the whole saga and their purpose remains unknown at this time.

...

The Others appear in the prologue to AGoT as tall and gaunt with flesh pale as milk and blue eyes, deeper and bluer than human eyes, burning like ice. The White Walker who married the Night's King is similarly described as having skin as pale as the moon and eyes like blue stars.

....

Wights are dead men or creatures raised up by the Others, seemingly when touched by the cold that accompanies them.[4] Men who fall in battle against the Others must be burned, or else the dead will rise again as their thralls.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Others

Baitball Blogger

(46,786 posts)
9. Thanks. Wow, you really need a score card to keep up with everything.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 03:36 PM
Jun 2012

So in the season finale, that was a White Walker horse king who was commanding a loose battalion of white walkers and wights. It's the wights who may be Zombies, resurrected by the white walkers?

And who is the Night's King? Is that something that happened centuries before too?

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
10. A necromancer or evil priest.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 03:46 PM
Jun 2012

Using the unholy power of the negative planes. You cannot catch zombie disease, you must be animated. What you see in 28 days later are not zombies, they are infected with an organic parasite. The White Walkers appear to have some semblance of intelligence so they cannot be zombies either. They might be a higher form of undead or something else entirely. I vote for the latter because any higher undead would have attacked and drained Samwell without hesitation.

nolabear

(42,009 posts)
12. *Samwell Spoiler*
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 04:26 PM
Jun 2012

He's around forever, and somehow in spite of walking all over creation and in themidst of a ton o' starving, never loses an ounce. He has MY metabolism.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
14. I don't know and I dont want to know.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 04:48 PM
Jun 2012

Not until next season. Reading the books would ruin the show for me. Just as if I had read the books ahead of time I'd probably not watch the show.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
16. Not so. Reading the books doesn't ruin anything.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:34 PM
Jun 2012

In fact, this season has had so much material to condense that it seems like the book and the series are very different. The TV show is more like a Reader's Digest version. So reading the books is never a waste, there is much more to learn in them.

I've read them all and still anxiously await each episode.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
17. I'm sure the books are far better.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:41 AM
Jun 2012

And that's why I'm not going to read them now. They will ruin the show for me. I hate reading books and then watching them be ruined in movie form like Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. I love those books, hate the movies. I'll read these later.

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