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First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:52 PM Jan 2020

Should the Astros' trash can be sent to Cooperstown...?

...it's already the most famous trash can in history. Maybe it could be one of the exhibits, along with some of the cash Chick Gandil got from Arnold Rothstein in 1919, Hal Chase's gloves, Pete Rose's betting slips, a bottle of Barry Bonds' juice, and other wholesome, All-American displays of highlights from our National Pastime...

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Should the Astros' trash can be sent to Cooperstown...? (Original Post) First Speaker Jan 2020 OP
Houston should be incredibly thankful gratuitous Jan 2020 #1
Their 2017 championship should be vacated. Same for the 2018 BoSox championship. stopbush Jan 2020 #3
It has already been interviewed. El Supremo Jan 2020 #2
Sign-stealing has an old and chequered history in baseball... malthaussen Jan 2020 #4
Rogers Hornsby once said that every big-league game in history had had cheating in it... First Speaker Jan 2020 #5
And Carlos Beltran loses his job gratuitous Jan 2020 #6

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. Houston should be incredibly thankful
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:09 PM
Jan 2020

Considering all the people who had to be involved in their high tech sign stealing, to lose only two front office folks, a few draft picks and a measly $5 million, Houston got off with less than a slap on the wrist. The damage to the game's integrity is incalculable. Some folks should be suspended for life (like, everyone who knew about this or participated in it), and the owner should be forced to sell the team. If it turns out that Cora took his cheating ways to Boston for a similar reward, he should never work in the game again, and Boston should lose players and the owner forced to sell.

This wasn't the work of one or two guys selling themselves as some kind of sign-stealing wizards. This was someone installing a camera, putting a monitor in the dugout, someone reading the catcher's pitch signal, relaying that information to the guy who banged the bat on the trash can, the batter at the plate, and probably any base runners.

stopbush

(24,397 posts)
3. Their 2017 championship should be vacated. Same for the 2018 BoSox championship.
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:42 PM
Jan 2020

THAT would send a message.

malthaussen

(17,219 posts)
4. Sign-stealing has an old and chequered history in baseball...
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:37 AM
Jan 2020

... it's gotten more sophisticated over the years. I'll admit to some ambivalence about this and other forms of cheating in sports that arouse so much ire. I rather suspect that if every professional athlete who cheated in one way or another were thrown out of the HoF, there would be damned few left in the Hall. Where to draw the line is a touchy subject.

Cooperstown should have an exhibit of some of the examples of the various ways people have cheated over the years, including one of Babe Ruth's corked bats and Whitey Ford's ring. And maybe a can of pine tar.

-- Mal

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
5. Rogers Hornsby once said that every big-league game in history had had cheating in it...
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:18 AM
Jan 2020

...I really don't feel much indignation if the guys on the bench try to steal signs. But the Astros clearly went over the line.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. And Carlos Beltran loses his job
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 03:20 PM
Jan 2020
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28496773/mets-agree-part-ways-manager-carlos-beltran

Or, Beltran and the Mets have agreed to part ways. Beltran released a statement where he apologized, but actual remorse seems to be wanting. An excerpt from his statement:

I am a man of faith and integrity and what took place did not demonstrate those characteristics that are so very important to me and my family. I'm very sorry. It's not who I am as a father, a husband, a teammate and as an educator.


Apparently Beltran's faith and integrity didn't stop him in the first place, and lay dormant for two years until the investigative report came out, naming him as one of the cheaters.

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