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When a group of schoolboys were marooned on an island in 1965, it turned out very differently from William Goldings bestseller, writes Rutger Bregman" ...)
This is an excerpt from the book Humankind (written by Rutger Bregman) found in The Guardian website 5-9-20.
from the article:
"For centuries western culture has been permeated by the idea that humans are selfish creatures. That cynical image of humanity has been proclaimed in films and novels, history books and scientific research. But in the last 20 years, something extraordinary has happened. Scientists from all over the world have switched to a more hopeful view of mankind. This development is still so young that researchers in different fields often dont even know about each other."
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"I first read Lord of the Flies as a teenager. I remember feeling disillusioned afterwards, but not for a second did I think to doubt Goldings view of human nature. That didnt happen until years later when I began delving into the authors life. I learned what an unhappy individual he had been: an alcoholic, prone to depression; a man who beat his kids. I have always understood the Nazis, Golding confessed, because I am of that sort by nature. And it was partly out of that sad self-knowledge that he wrote Lord of the Flies."
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"Its time we told a different kind of story. The real Lord of the Flies is a tale of friendship and loyalty; one that illustrates how much stronger we are if we can lean on each other. After my wife took Peters picture, he turned to a cabinet and rummaged around for a bit, then drew out a heavy stack of papers that he laid in my hands. His memoirs, he explained, written for his children and grandchildren. I looked down at the first page. Life has taught me a great deal, it began, including the lesson that you should always look for what is good and positive in people.
much more at link:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months
The article may seem long to some but IMO it's very worthwhile...
blm
(113,119 posts)Thanks for finding it.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)maybe I found the story or maybe it found me but I decided it was worth sharing and that's only a small
part of it. So the short answer is "You're welcome".
Gothmog
(145,722 posts)I love how the boys took care of the boy who broke his leg and where able to splint the leg so that it healed.
Nay
(12,051 posts)It would be wonderful to watch the re-creation of the boys' adventures.
WheelWalker
(8,956 posts)Mead said that the first evidence of civilization was a 15,000 years old fractured femur found in an archaeological site. A femur is the longest bone in the body, linking hip to knee. In societies without the benefits of modern medicine, it takes about six weeks of rest for a fractured femur to heal. This particular bone had been broken and had healed.
Mead explained that in the animal kingdom, if you break your leg, you die. You cannot run from danger, you cannot drink or hunt for food. Wounded in this way, you are meat for your predators. No creature survives a broken leg long enough for the bone to heal. You are eaten first.
A broken femur that has healed is evidence that another person has taken time to stay with the fallen, has bound up the wound, has carried the person to safety and has tended them through recovery. A healed femur indicates that someone has helped a fellow human, rather than abandoning them to save their own life.
Helping someone else through difficulty is where civilization starts, Margaret Mead said, Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; For, indeed, that's all who ever have.
https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0111/mead.html for more on Margaret Mead
stopwastingmymoney
(2,042 posts)Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,752 posts)examples of animals helping ea other, sometimes across species, and no doubt our primate ancestors did care and did what they could to the best of their abilities. Its probably having agriculture and plentiful food source that allowed people to stay in one place and be able to care for their sick and injured - whereas strictly hunter-foragers might not have that luxury.
Shanti Mama
(1,288 posts)Thank you for sharing this. I will read the book.
MuseRider
(34,136 posts)to be the second (first was Trump of course) thread I read. That entire article was just all smiles and happy thoughts about what a wonderful group of boys they were.
Beyond that, it just goes to show you, we often like to be entertained in a manner that we can see others being bad so we can feel good about ourselves.
I just loved this, thank you for the big smile on my face right now that will get me through this day and likely more. I absolutely loved the ending.
mainer
(12,034 posts)What a great story.
malthaussen
(17,219 posts)A novel by R. A. Heinlein which came out a year after Golding's. It seems such a clear refutation of Lord of the Flies as to almost seem definitely written as a response, although there is no documentary evidence of this. It's interesting that, when the castaways are rescued in Heinlein's book, their story is immediately distorted and misrepresented by the media to make their ordeal appear much nastier than it was. Tunnel is remembered only condescendingly as one of Mr Heinlein's "Juveniles," whereas Golding's book is a classic of English literature. I can't really speak to the literary quality of Lord of the Flies, since I've never read it and know it only by reputation. My point, though, which possibly Mr Heinlein would have shared, is that society is apparently always more ready to believe the worst of people, than the best.
-- Mal
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,052 posts)I haven't read for comparison Golding's book. Tunnel in the Sky is not literature, like two or three other of Heinlein's rise to, but definitely a good read and not a superficial simplistic story.
One of the themes is one that is consistent throughout Heinlein's writing; the competent person who keeps their head when all about are losing theirs. Much more like the story from real life in the OP than Golding's fantasy.