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Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:31 PM Mar 2015

Dog Aggression

My Welsh Corgi, Baron, is a 11 year old neutered male dog. He is fear aggressive, and I mean to the point that if he hears any peeping tones on the TV, he will respond with stress and look around the house for something to take his aggression out on.

Years ago, I had two trainers for him, and he tried to bite one. He is now considered "red" at our vet clinic. We put up with him, because we know no one else would. However, in the past 2 days something has changed. First my husband got a new cell phone, so the tones are a bit different. Then he started to fight on my old 14 year old female corgi dog. I was sitting right next to her, he just pounced. I picked up the female, my husband had to pick up the male. He was bleeding, so I went to get a paper towel , so I could wipe up his face, but he showed his teeth at me, and that was it. He has never done that to me before.

Today, he was out of the crate, when for some reason, I guess the old diabetic cat upset him, because she hangs near the giant water bowl, so he started kicking her butt. She lost a tooth, and my husband grabbed her. She's ok, but I know these events got to hurt these old animals. Then has had to grab Baron to put him back in his crate, before he finds someone else to go after.

My daughter the vet tech, says he could be checked for Cushings or Addison's. but they have no pill that will stop aggression.

I'm personally done with it, while I still love Baron, I can't do this anymore. My husband and I are close to 60, and fighting a strong almost 40 pound dog is painful to us.

So my DU friends, you have done right by me before, any thoughts? FYI, the average life span of a Corgi is around 11-13 years.

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DryHump

(199 posts)
2. We have many animals, but we know our limits
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:53 PM
Mar 2015

in my book, this guy has become a hazard. I would not hesitate to euthanize.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
3. My elderly corgi male does that at times, too.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:17 PM
Mar 2015

He has cataracts and I don't think he hears very well, so I think he is easily startled and that frightens him. And my elderly female has started to "get in his face" over food, so we have to referee them sometimes too. He gets upset when my husband takes out the garbage, so we have to distract him when that is going on! LOL

Has Baron had a thorough exam since this started? It could be physical, or maybe the vet can give you something to calm him. You could also try pheromones to calm him. That high-pitched sound could be hurting his ears -- like a sound sometimes sets our teeth on edge?

Yes, keep them apart as much as possible. Keep a collar or harness and leash on Baron so you can grab him easily instead of picking him up. A good yank on the leash and a strong "NO" might teach him to cool it.

Are you keeping him in a crate for extended periods? Please consider something else. Being crated too long can cause frustration and aggression. Also make sure he is getting some exercise to work off his anxiety.

As you know, corgis are highly intelligent and sometimes you just have to out-smart them. It would be a shame to have him euthanized if there are alternatives. Good luck to you all.

2theleft

(1,136 posts)
4. Talk to your vet...
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:29 PM
Mar 2015

I'm going to something very similar with my dog. She is only 5, but for no apparent reason has started being aggressive to my other dog. We tried xanax - hers appears to be fear/anxiety based aggression and has been escalating over the past few weeks. We've done blood work and exam and everything is fine physically. The xanax didn't work for her, but know other people who have used it successfully as a daily anxiety reducer.

We have now switched to doggie prozac along with behavioral training and exercise, exercise, exercise. Not sure if the meds will be long term or just until we get get her back under control. It's only been 3 days, so no major changes yet. Maybe a slight relaxing. Can take several weeks for us to notice if this is going to help take the edge off for her.

Trainer is coming next week...If I learn anything super helpful, I will be sure to check back in.

Laffy Kat

(16,390 posts)
5. So sorry, Corgigal.
Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:57 PM
Mar 2015

I will tell you that my dog has Addison's and it's never manifested as aggression. Wonder if he is in pain? Tough decision and my heart goes out to you.

orleans

(34,086 posts)
6. i had a little dog that had to be on benedryl for allergies & skin sensitivity
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 02:09 AM
Apr 2015

it was recommended by the vets we took her to.
one time i took her in to be groomed at a petsmart & they asked if she had been given any medication and i told them benedryl. they made a BIG deal about how they had no intention of grooming her, etc.

i said wtf?

the groomer said they don't groom dogs when people give them benedryl first. i really didn't get what was being implied. i said she gets it twice a day just like the vet here told me i should give it to her so when the hell was she ever supposed to get groomed?

groomer said: "oh, it's being prescribed by a vet?" um...YES...

the groomer explained people give it to their dogs to calm them down.
oh. i didn't know that.
anyway--maybe something like that would help.
ask your vet. also, how are his teeth? (sounds weird, but if he has an abscess or something that could cause pain and maybe make him aggressive)

wishing all of you all the best.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
7. Thank you everyone
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 04:10 AM
Apr 2015

I read everyone suggestions. Husband and I are going to take him to our vet, I'm sure he will be knocked out just for him to approach. We will allow him to decide. Baron has some type of autoimmune dieases, so he get sores but we have him on keflex and that works fine. He been off since the day we got him. We have tried to calm him for years, he not capable in our hands. In fact, most people, besides Cesar could not bring him back to normal,

Never in my life did I have such a complicated dog. We had him all his life, but I'm not sure he enjoys it anymore. Oh, he loves his crate, it's the place he feels the most comfortable. He.s even scared outside, even within the privacy fence backyard.

I will let you know how it goes. Thanks again.

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
8. It's a LOT of work having an aggressive, problematic dog. Yeah, we're supposed to be their guardians
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:24 AM
Apr 2015

for life, I know, but there comes a time when it can just be too much work and too much danger to ourselves, our families and our other pets.

I put up with a dangerous rescue dog for many years. She was kind and sweet with us, but dangerous to other dogs, cats, people and kids. She was just a cocker spaniel and could be so cute and cuddly, but the routines we went through to make sure everyone else was kept safe just became overwhelming. In fact, she attacked my Maltese and bit her leg, breaking it. That cost me over 3000 bucks. Let me say that again, Three THOUSAND bucks in vet bills for surgery to repair the wee little thing. Three THOUSAND bucks. Yeah that one still stings.

Damn dog even put me in the hospital! She was underfoot and being a real nuisance while I was running around the house packing to go on an overseas trip. I told her to get outside, and she just sat down on the kitchen floor refusing to go out the door. I was in socks and VERY frustrated and launched my foot at her behind to get her to move. Whoooop BAM, I'm on the floor with a dislocated kneecap. Alone. Bars on the front door, viscous dog who suddenly felt very very sorry for me and staying next to me as I yelled for help. Damn dog, lol. The cops would have had to break a window and shoot her to get into my house to effect transport to the ER. I dragged myself across the room to the phone and got my friend with a key to come, but it took nearly 2 hours for her to get there; then another 2 hours back and forth to the ER.

Damn dog. I did love her though.

But, when I was planning to move overseas I knew she was too dangerous to place with another family. I just didn't want to risk her harming anyone else, or coming to abusive harm herself through non-understanding people; she really was completely nuts.

I had her put down and the relief and empty space was nothing short of like all the air being let out of a giant balloon. Suddenly, there was no drama, no danger, no worry, no impending doom. She never knew what hit her; my vet was in complete agreement knowing her history. For the dog, it was just another trip to the vet, whom she liked, and she just went to sleep and didn't wake up.

Sometimes it's ok to do the right thing for the right reasons. If your doggie has no more enjoyment of life and is posing too much of a danger to the others in your household, it may just be time. Your dog has had a good long life, longer than is likely in someone else's home...

The other alternative is actual sedation. Not benedryl but sleeping tablets in super low dose. Keep her woozy and calm all the time. But where is the enjoyment in life with that? I had the cocker on sleeping tablets after her psychotic behavior put her in the hospital with a pinched nerve from sooo aggressively and obsessively chasing her ball. It was like heaven! I felt a little guilty but I would use them occasionally when she was wigging out. Mind you this was a dog that had other buddies, a nice garden and was never confined, plenty of company and attention, she was just nuts.

It'll be ok, you'll do what's best for all, I'm sure.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
9. Damn...that's awful!
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 10:58 AM
Apr 2015

We lost our boy Corgi about 3 years ago due to a tumor on his spleen.
He lasted about 11 months after the initial near death experience and
diagnosis.

He was a bit cranky and barky, but the only time we had to separate
him from our girl Corgi was at feeding time. They sure LOVE THEIR CHOW!

He bit me once, when we were loading the car to go on vacation he tried
to jump in and stow away. I grabbed him from behind to pull him out and he
bit me on the hand! I was SO shocked!

I hope that there is somewhere in your home that you can keep him.
A space dedicated to him. Maybe even the garage?

He can't have that long to go.....

I am looking for another puppy now, to keep the girly happy.

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Coventina

(27,217 posts)
10. The vet may be able to suggest some meds. You could also try melatonin, which is OTC.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:18 AM
Apr 2015

Melatonin is most commonly used as a sleep aid, but it has an overall "mellowing" effect as well.
It is safe for both dogs and humans. We use it on our dogs with good success.

Our smaller old dog is terrified of thunderstorms, and we give her a healthy dose at the first rumble.
Now, she mostly snoozes through the storms.

A daily dose might help your aggression problem, but ask your vet's opinion.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
11. Is it possible he has dementia?
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 05:29 PM
Apr 2015

Maybe the world around him looks and smells different because his senses aren't what they ued to be, and his brain is unable to make sense of things.

People with dementia can become angry and aggressive at a certan stage because they are frustrated that things no longer make sense..

trof

(54,256 posts)
13. Sometimes we hang on to them longer than we should.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 06:59 PM
Apr 2015

You have to ask "Am I doing it for the good of the pet, or for my own feelings.?"
To me, it doesn't sound like this dog has a very happy life.

It's very hard not to be emotionally selfish when a decision has to be made to put down a loved pet. Even the 'bad' ones.

I've been through this more times than I like to think about.
It is NEVER easy.

When I was on the fence (selfish?) I'd ask the vet "If it was YOUR dog, what would you do?"
I have been guided by the vet's unemotional assessment.

Good luck to you.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
14. Your dog had a relatively long life, and he is a danger to other beings in your house.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:49 PM
Apr 2015

I hate to say it, but it might be time for him to go, peacefully. Also, he would be saved the decline in health that comes with aging.

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