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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsThe Decline of the American Actor
pretty long article from The Atlantic, but they make some good points. Most of the Brits playing American roles have had extensive training, so they can usually do well with American accents. A lot of the top American actors have grown up on TV or in the movies, so while they've had great on-the-job experience, they might not necessarily have the type of training needed to pull off roles outside their comfort zones.
Is it time for American actors to take a hard look in the mirror? Earlier this year Michael Douglas mused darkly to a magazine interviewer, I think we have a little crisis going on amongst our young actors at this point, and Spike Lee, commenting on the invasion of black British actors, had some pithy observations on the subject, too: You want talented people, he said, and British actors training is very proper, whereas some of these other brothers and sisters, you know, they come in here, and they dont got that training. Douglas and Lee, just like the rest of us who go to the movies, are a tad puzzled about why so many good American roles have been going to English, Irish, Welsh, Scottish, Australian, and Canadian actors. The phenomenon may have reached its unignorable peak in last years docudrama Selma: the parts of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Coretta Scott King, Governor George Wallace, and President Lyndon B. Johnson were all played by Brits.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/07/the-decline-of-the-american-actor/395291/
UTUSN
(70,809 posts)Whho can not feel inferior to English/English or Castilian/Spanish over here.
Yet, we're richer, younger, (better?)/ over here?!1
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)from the 50s to the 80s, most Brits played British characters in Hollywood productions, or else they played other European characters. Heck, one of the most British TV characters from the 1980s was Higgins from Magnum PI, and he was played by a guy from Texas (Jonathan Hillerman)
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)The Americans have stars, who frequently are not good actors.
Briiish actors do stage, screen, TV. They play leading roles and supporting roles. They do cameos.
Americans (with a few exceptions) do Stage or Screen or TV. If they play a leading role, they do not play a supporting role. A few, well established actors will do cameos or participate in an indepedent film, but not many.
Again, it comes down to star vs actor.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)IcyPeas
(21,957 posts)played Margaret Thatcher and she will be playing another famous historic British activist -- Emmeline Pankhurst in the historical drama "Suffragette"
Why are they not using Brits for those roles?
I think America is more into actors' looks - most american actors are good looking. Brits look more real. You see a lot of older actors in British tv.
there are celebrities and there are actors.....
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)but, I think the article also says that there are also plenty of excellent American women in acting under 40, but the amount of quality men under 40 is lagging.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Just watched the Prairie Home Companion film and she played a two-bit country singer to absolute perfection and Lily Tomlin matched her right down the line. Streep can do Thatcher equally brilliantly. As an aside, Lindsay Lohan was delightful in that film, color me stunned.
I think one of the big reasons there are so few first-rate male actors under 40 is the glut of action-adventure movies that are "star-making" vehicles. You don't need a lot of training to be a macho swellhead character and a background of playing those roles is no way to learn how to be a well-rounded actor.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)played by an American is Robert Downey, Jr playing Sherlock Holmes in two movies.
Wounded Bear
(58,797 posts)Not much acting skill needed to shoot firearms and blow shit up. Our heroes are Rambo and Schwarzennegger, and others who don't really act much.
Too many action movies light on charater development and dialogue and long on shoot 'em up/blow 'em up stuff.
Why take complicated acting lessons to do that? Christ you can go down to your local gym and get some muscle-bound steroid freak to play roles like that. Vin Diesel anyone?
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Vin Diesel can actually act, he's just really typecast by look. He's had a few smaller roles and indie productions where he's been freed to show that side of his craft...but they're less common than Fast & Furious type roles for him.
Wounded Bear
(58,797 posts)Funny corrollary, one of Schwarzenegger's best IMO was Twins, with Kindergarten Cop up there too.
He did pretty good when he wasn't taking himself so seriously.
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)The guy really CAN act. I wish he he got more opportunities to show what he can do.
olddots
(10,237 posts)that even some Americans can do it .
betsuni
(25,843 posts)As usual, the British actors are relaxed and comfortable in their roles and I see them as their characters. They know how to speak and breathe and move at the same time. The Americans always look the same, have the same mannerisms so that I can't forget who they are. Oh look, there's Calista Flockhart as Ally McBeal trying to do Shakespeare! There's Christian Bale trying to look interested. Michelle Pfeiffer doing another I Am Beautiful role (and didn't her husband create Ally McBeal?).
Another movie ruined by American actors (But Kevin Kline was funny).
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)Christian Charles Philip Bale was born in Pembrokeshire, Wales, UK on January 30, 1974, to English parents Jennifer "Jenny" (James) and David Charles Howard Bale. His mother was a circus performer and his father, who was born in South Africa, was a commercial
pilot.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000288/
betsuni
(25,843 posts)He was good in "Little Women," though. He moved his face.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)A British actor playing an iconic American role - Bruce Wayne/Batman.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)Standing tall: Tom Cruise often has to climb onto a box when shooting scenes with his leading ladies
http://www.alisonjackson.com/tom-cruise-opens-up-on-his-divorce-we-reveal-his-biggest-hang-up/
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)playing Spider-Man. Tobey Maguire (American) was good. Andrew Garfield (a Brit) was bad. But, they go for another British actor?
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/tom-holland-19-spider-man-2017-thriller-whos-164521882-us-weekly.html
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Badly-written, badly-cast, badly-conceptualized...you can't make filet out of scrap beef, so to speak. They really remind me of the Schumacher Batman films that nearly killed that franchise...too much action, too much trying to be crammed in, too stylized, too cheesy and just too vapid.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)he almost had too many jokes/quips, though.
However, I didn't get the nerd/geek vibe from his Peter Parker like I did from Tobey Maguire. Peter was the shy and awkward outsider and nerd when he was in high school, so I really identified with him growing up. Garfield was almost too good looking to be realistic as Peter Parker.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)but, we now have had Christian Bale (British) as Batman; Henry Cavill (British) as Superman; a second British actor is playing Peter Parker/Spider-Man (see my post above this one); Wonder Woman is Gal Gadot (Israeli)... at least we now have another American as Batman in Ben Affleck.
I mean, Gadot is not exactly Oscar material - she was mostly a background character in the Fast & Furious franchise. Cavill is not, either.
Paladin
(28,290 posts)Certainly it's on my Top Five List. And two of the leading characters in that film are done by Australian actors, vividly portraying police detectives in post-war Los Angeles. More power to them, and to other foreign actors turning up in U.S. productions.
lame54
(35,359 posts)kairos12
(12,906 posts)and did a tour of where movies are shot and saw about 4 places where the movie was filmed. It was great.
lame54
(35,359 posts)they're all going to be playing superheroes anyway
forget the actors - there are nor real parts left
Downey Jr., good actor, playing Ironman. What a waste.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)allows him the freedom to choose other roles (i.e., the movie with him & Rober Duvall from last year) or that movie with Jamie Foxx from a few years back.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,370 posts)CherokeeDem
(3,710 posts)My aunt and I discussed this last night. We are both fans of the British murder mystery Midsomer Murders. Our conclusion was that British actors are professionals. American actors, with a few notable exceptions, are pretty faces or character types. I think in Britain acting is a respected profession, in the US... tabloid fodder.
My favorite actor is Alan Rickman, and his godson is actor Tom Burke... who plays Athos on the BBC production The Musketeers. Burke, son of two prominent English actors, said when he got out of school, he immediately wanted to start working as an actor. Rickman convinced him to go to the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts, telling him, it's three years, go make your mistakes there and learn your craft. For Burke, it paid off, he is one of the most nuanced actors I've ever seen.
The other thing I love about British productions is the actors don't have to be beautiful or fit to play someone's love interest or the hero. It's more realistic and grounded.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,370 posts)That said, my boyfriend and I joke about sneaky Brits and Aussies fooling us with their American accents. It's trickery I tells ya.
Then there is Liam Neeson's not so good accent (One of the things that bugs me about him. Otherwise, I like the guy).
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NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)I thought about it afterwards - with Meryl Streep playing Margaret Thatcher, Robert Downey Jr playing Sherlock Holmes, Rene Zellweger, and others as well - it seems like there are plenty of good American actors playing British roles. But, most people remember Kevin Costner failing as Robin Hood.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,370 posts)Of Tony Curtis playing some role my dad used to laugh about "yonder lies my fadder's castle"
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)and didn't realize that Charlie Hunnam was a Brit until I saw him in an interview. My jaw dropped when I heard the British accent, that's how good his American accent is.