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LessAspin

(1,158 posts)
Sat Aug 12, 2023, 06:16 PM Aug 2023

2020 Vote Tampering being Investigated by Special Counsel

2016 whether there was tampering or not was never investigated given GOP control of the Michigan government and US DOJ...







There was some funny business in Maine too..










Gotta hope this stuff is kept in check as much as possible. We already know that voter suppression and gerrymandering will continue to be obstacles to overcome.
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2020 Vote Tampering being Investigated by Special Counsel (Original Post) LessAspin Aug 2023 OP
So the election may have been rigged, gab13by13 Aug 2023 #1
These allegations have as much proof as Trump's 2020 fraud allegations Fiendish Thingy Aug 2023 #2
Did you forget the sarcasm thingy? gab13by13 Aug 2023 #3
I'm speaking specifically about the allegations in the tweets in the OP Fiendish Thingy Aug 2023 #4
First step is always to compare exit polls to the tabulation IbogaProject Aug 2023 #7
2016 Election Tiny Tabby Aug 2023 #5
I thought the Michigan vote in 2016 was completely abnormal. Lonestarblue Aug 2023 #6

gab13by13

(21,555 posts)
1. So the election may have been rigged,
Sat Aug 12, 2023, 06:31 PM
Aug 2023

not the 2020 election, the 2016 election.

I remember abnormalities in at least 3 states, Kentucky, Florida, and Maine, but if Democrats complain about those abnormalities we are labeled as conspiracy kooks.

Remember the Diebolt machines, no paper trail.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,729 posts)
2. These allegations have as much proof as Trump's 2020 fraud allegations
Sat Aug 12, 2023, 06:49 PM
Aug 2023

It’s all rumours and hearsay.

Put these folks under oath, then let’s see what can be proven.

gab13by13

(21,555 posts)
3. Did you forget the sarcasm thingy?
Sat Aug 12, 2023, 07:12 PM
Aug 2023

You aren't saying there was no interference in the 2016 election are you?

Do you remember Konstantin Kilimnik and Paul Manafort? Remember how the DNC was hacked?

Mueller indicted or got guilty pleas from;

George Popadopoulas
Paul Manafort
Rick Gates
Michael Flynn
13 Russian nationals
3 Russian companies
Richard Pinedo
Alex van der Zwaan
Konstantin Kilimnik
12 Russian GRU officers
Roger Stone
Sam Patten

Remember the only reason that Mueller could not legally prove criminal election conspiracy was because Russians involved could not be subpoenaed.

With all of that election tampering I am supposed to believe that rigging machines that have no paper trail is just a wild conspiracy theory, just hearsay?

The proof is in the abnormalities in certain states that were outside exit polling, outside margins of error in polling.

When foreign countries wanted someone to oversee their elections one of the main tools that was used by independent election watchers was exit polling.

There were abnormalities in the 2016 election.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,729 posts)
4. I'm speaking specifically about the allegations in the tweets in the OP
Sat Aug 12, 2023, 07:41 PM
Aug 2023

Those specific allegations have not been proven- no evidence has been offered other than anecdotes that carry the same weight and credibility as the allegations from Sidney Powell, Lin Wood or Rudy.

Should they be investigated? Sure- put Jacobus and her sources under oath, then let’s see what shakes out.

IbogaProject

(2,876 posts)
7. First step is always to compare exit polls to the tabulation
Mon Aug 28, 2023, 03:26 PM
Aug 2023

That is how the UN monitors elections. The discrepancies often happen in GOP precincts and heavily in majority GOP states. Mitch McConnell's last victory was marked by vast deviations from the exit polls. We need to setup a paper trail with ballots and have any software counting or tabulating votes to be audit able and the code base to be open to review. 2004 was shady too.

Tiny Tabby

(22 posts)
5. 2016 Election
Sat Aug 12, 2023, 07:50 PM
Aug 2023

I recall reading that 10 of thousands of people went in person to vote but did not select Trump or Clinton - they left it blank or voted for Mickey Mouse. I remember the figures were for Detroit (70,000), Philadelphia (80,000) and Miami-Dade (175,000) or close to those numbers.

I really find it hard to believe that a person would go the voting site and not vote for a presidential candidate. I read that in the last election Senator Romney voted for Reagan so it does happen but those particular cities in those states with those numbers - kind of suspicious. In LA county only about 5,000 didn't vote for president. Were votes deleted?

I hate to beat a dead horse but the totals in Ohio precincts that year didn't seem possible either - Trump won by exactly 2,000 votes in a large number of precincts.

I firmly believe that Hillary won but for criminal interference.

Lonestarblue

(10,240 posts)
6. I thought the Michigan vote in 2016 was completely abnormal.
Sat Aug 12, 2023, 07:54 PM
Aug 2023

Thousands of voters in Detroit voted but somehow failed to cote for president, literally the most important position on the ballot. Highly unusual.

And now pro-Trump people in Georgia who illegally accessed voting machines in Georgia and made mirror images of everything on them have had time to study the machines and figure out ways to rig them for 2024.

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