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TexasTowelie

(112,746 posts) Mon Jul 11, 2016, 04:30 AM Jul 2016

Friend or foe? Open-carry law poses challenge to police

[font color=330099]Informative article with comments from C.J. Grisham of Open Carry Texas, Bishop T.D. Jakes of The Potter's House church and Mark Hughes, the man in camo that was openly carrying a rifle at the incident whose photo went viral.[/font]

PARIS, Texas (AP) — Gun-rights activists, some of them wearing camouflage and military-style gear and openly toting rifles and handguns, marched alongside the hundreds of people who flocked to downtown Dallas last week to protest police shootings of blacks.

Their presence was part of the new legal landscape in Texas, which earlier this year allowed people to openly carry firearms in public.

Moments later, when a sniper gunned down officers patrolling the peaceful march, killing five, the attack ignited panic and confusion. Who was shooting? Were the people with weapons friend or foe?

It was the same nightmare scenario that some law enforcement officials predicted when Texas approved the open-carry proposal.

Read more: http://www.lmtonline.com/news/state/article_b1b26525-66ff-53ce-9bf5-7b6aa2fc2b4e.html (Laredo Morning Times)

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Friend or foe? Open-carry law poses challenge to police (Original Post) TexasTowelie Jul 2016 OP

gun humping nut cases Skittles Jul 2016 #1

My theory is that if you are open OR concealed carrying you expect to be a target. Ford_Prefect Jul 2016 #2

How do you tell the good guys carrying guns from the bad guys carrying guns? liberal N proud Jul 2016 #3

Welcome to Mad Max World. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #4

I guess the NRA and the gun humpers already noticed, but here goes anyway. summerschild Jul 2016 #5

I assume that civilian open-carriers are mentally unstable and dangerous. Paladin Jul 2016 #6

Skittles

(153,321 posts)

1. gun humping nut cases

Reply to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 04:53 AM

Jul 2016

FUCK THEM ALL

Ford_Prefect

(7,943 posts)

2. My theory is that if you are open OR concealed carrying you expect to be a target.

Reply to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 06:55 AM

Jul 2016

If you expect to be a target and you carry into my restaurant you must leave since you are bringing that threat with you. I do not intend to be collateral damage to your judgement about who is a target and who is merely cover.

If you carry into my kid's pool party the same applies. If you carry into a public park the same applies. If you carry on the street the same applies. It is not safe for me or anyone else to be near you if that kind of real threat is directed at you personally.

If you are not a sworn peace officer and are not trained to the rules and restraints of deadly force you have no place to be bringing a dispute that requires deadly force into public places and making those around you into either targets or cover.

We have already said much about inappropriate profiling. That is what it is. There is no other condition, or definition.

If you ARE a sworn peace officer you'd better be damn sure you apply deadly force only IF and When appropriate options have been exhausted. If you are a senior police officer or Sheriff you'd better be damn sure your people are trained correctly and that you are appropriately vigilant.

If this really has become the vigilante state that the GUN lobby wants you to believe it has then we should arm every citizen of voting age and send them to the legislature, the state house and the Congress that they may accurately express their Point of View on these matters to the appropriate persons. Of course that might also lead to the same application of opinion in other venues like Corporate headquarters, lobbyists' offices and the like. We wouldn't want the leaders of private enterprise to feel left out of the conversation.

liberal N proud

(60,352 posts)

3. How do you tell the good guys carrying guns from the bad guys carrying guns?

Reply to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 07:38 AM

Jul 2016

If you carry, you must assume that law enforcement will treat you as a hostile.

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)

4. Welcome to Mad Max World.

Reply to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 07:53 AM

Jul 2016

Here was the prediction I made elsewhere:

The NRA is probably drafting legislation as we speak for a "Mandatory Carry Law":

Every (white) adult citizen MUST in future be armed at all times, when in public spaces and on public roadways.

Whether on foot or in a motor vehicle, all (white) citizens will henceforth be obliged to conceal-carry, the only dispensations being for those too physically disabled to do so.

(White) citizens may be stopped and checked for compliance at any moment by law enforcement. Citizens of color may be body-searched at any time to verify that they have no firearm concealed on their person.

summerschild

(725 posts)

5. I guess the NRA and the gun humpers already noticed, but here goes anyway.

Reply to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 11:29 AM

Jul 2016

Once again, in Dallas, the bad guy had more fire power than the cops. You know, that military grade fire power the gun manufacturers love to boost their profits.

So a new precedent got set.

The sniper was using military grade weapons, so the cops did, too. Here you go: have a dose of bomb loaded drone.

Give us a while and we'll have a brand new understanding of "war zone".

I'm so sick of guns.

Paladin

(28,290 posts)

6. I assume that civilian open-carriers are mentally unstable and dangerous.

Reply to TexasTowelie (Original post)

Mon Jul 11, 2016, 02:16 PM

Jul 2016

I realize that is the precise response they want when they go out in public and intimidate people, but I can live with that......

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