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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 05:05 AM Jun 2012

Campbell's diaries tell how Bush threatened to 'get rid of' Iain Duncan Smith

if he failed to back Blair over Iraq.

George Bush threatened to topple former Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith if he failed to back Tony Blair over the Iraq War, Alastair Campbell has claimed.

Mr Campbell, who was No??10’s director of communications at the time, said the US President made the extraordinary threat during frantic diplomatic exchanges in the final hours before war in March 2003.

He also revealed how Jack Straw, then Foreign Secretary, was so infuriated by the ‘arrogant and bullying’ Americans that he begged Mr Blair not to send British troops into action, and instead restrict their role to post- conflict humanitarian work. Mr Blair refused.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160439/Campbells-diaries-tell-Bush-threatened-rid-Iain-Duncan-Smith-failed-Blair-Iraq.html#ixzz1y2WWiK9J

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Campbell's diaries tell how Bush threatened to 'get rid of' Iain Duncan Smith (Original Post) dipsydoodle Jun 2012 OP
Spam deleted by Violet_Crumble (MIR Team) Lambrecht98 Jun 2012 #1
Interesting. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #2
No, Blair is Nu Labour Prophet 451 Jun 2012 #3
Goes to show, even an idiot can get it right by accident Prophet 451 Jun 2012 #4
+1000000000000000! LeftishBrit Jun 2012 #8
That surprises me not at all Prophet 451 Jun 2012 #9
Correction - "Iain Duncan Baker" muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #5
Confusing him with Kenneth Baker perhaps? Or his daddy's secretary of state James Baker? LeftishBrit Jun 2012 #7
One of the very few threats I wish he'd carried out more effectively! LeftishBrit Jun 2012 #6
It's worth bearing in mind at this point.... T_i_B Jun 2012 #10
On your last point... LeftishBrit Jun 2012 #11
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
2. Interesting.
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 07:07 AM
Jun 2012

Did Bush actually have the clout to make the official opposition in another country dump their leader?(As it happens, Duncan Smith DID end up getting removed as Tory leader without ever getting the chance to lead the Tories through a general election, so maybe Dubya carried out his threat).

(on edit)having read the linked article...it's clear that Bush's threat was far greater than simply deposing Duncan Smith as Tory leader. Campbell's diaries quote Bush as saying "we will get rid of THEM"...which may mean that Bush was threatening to exterminate the entire Conservative Party. Holy 1922 Committee, Batman!

I wish Jack Straw had had the courage of his convictions and resigned as Foreign Secretary when Blair made it clear he'd sent British troops off to Iraq anyway.

BTW, I wonder how much longer it will be before Blair declares himself a Tory and has done with it. He pretty much backs Cameron on everything his government is doing.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
3. No, Blair is Nu Labour
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 10:09 AM
Jun 2012

"Nu Labour" meaning he dragged the traditionally centre-left Labour party so far to the right that they became identical to the old Tories. Of course, just as we saw the rightward shift of the Democrats cause the Republicans to move even further right, Cameron's Tories have become the most radically right-wing government we've had since the Restoration.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
4. Goes to show, even an idiot can get it right by accident
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 10:13 AM
Jun 2012

Removing IDS would actually have done us a huge favour since he's now become our fanatical Secretary for Work and Pensions who thinks it's a "sin" to be unemployed and sick people "fester" on disability benefits.

LeftishBrit

(41,219 posts)
8. +1000000000000000!
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 01:57 PM
Jun 2012

I have an anti-IDS song in my DU journal.

By the way, he once co-authored an article on 'Compassionate conservativism' with Rick Santorum!

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
9. That surprises me not at all
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 04:23 PM
Jun 2012

We have the most radical right-wing government since the Restoration so that doesn't surprise me at all. I wish it did.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,422 posts)
5. Correction - "Iain Duncan Baker"
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 12:03 PM
Jun 2012

No, really:

TB laid it on the line that we had to have a vote in the Commons. He said we couldn't pull the plug on UN negotiating because the bigger the gap between the end of the negotiation and a Commons motion, the worse it was for us. We had to keep trying. Bush said when do you anticipate a vote? TB said we had pencilled in next Tuesday. Bush: 'Erm.' Long pause. TB: 'You want to go on the Monday?' Correct.

TB: 'My military have given me formal advice re the full moon.' It's not a problem, said Bush. 'What – are they taking away the moon?' TB said he would have to check it out. There was clear tension between Bush wanting sooner and TB wanting later.

TB went over the politics here, how we were pulling out every stop. TB said there was a danger the Tories would see this as their chance to get rid of him, support us on a war motion, but not a confidence motion. Bush said they would make it clear to the Tories that if they moved to get rid of TB 'we will get rid of them'. He said he wouldn't speak to 'Iain Duncan Baker' himself – TB didn't correct him – 'but he'll know my message'.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/jun/15/campbell-blair-bush-iraq-war


Yet again, you wonder how the world survived with that fool in such power.

LeftishBrit

(41,219 posts)
7. Confusing him with Kenneth Baker perhaps? Or his daddy's secretary of state James Baker?
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 01:55 PM
Jun 2012

'you wonder how the world survived with that fool in such power'

Well, it didn't survive terribly well!

T_i_B

(14,749 posts)
10. It's worth bearing in mind at this point....
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 07:22 AM
Jun 2012

....that Ian Duncan-Smith was a poor, ineffective leader of the opposition, and such such a lot of Tories would in all likelihood have been very receptive to US republicans urging them to wield the knife.

As it was he only lasted til October 2003 before the Tories booted him out of the leadership in favour of Michael Howard anyway.

And regarding his performance as Work & Pensions secretary, he's he's been bad, but is there any Tory minister who wouldn't be spiteful towards the poorest & most vulnerable in that role? Class warfare on behalf of the rich against the poor is one of the main principles of the current government.

LeftishBrit

(41,219 posts)
11. On your last point...
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 08:36 AM
Jun 2012

I think you're right that any current Tory would be spiteful against the poorest and most vulnerable (almost the definition of 'right wing', at least nowadays!); but I do think that Duncan-Smith is more sanctimonious and missionary-like about it than most. Most Tories like to kick people when they're down; Duncan-Smith likes to kick people when they're down and also to preach about how it's really very good for people to be kicked when they're down! The 'Centre for Social Justice' (meaning in typical Tory-speak just the opposite) - ugh! I tend, both in politics and in real life, to find those who represent themselves as 'cruel to be kind' more repugnant, and also possibly more effective in achieving their aims, than those who are cruel out of blatant selfishness and don't really bother to pretend otherwise.

Yes, I do remember Duncan-Smith as a weak, ineffective, rather dull Tory leader, which as far as I'm concerned is the best sort of Tory leader to have. Sadly, he is much more effective and articulate now; must be getting useful advice from somewhere.

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