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Related: About this forumCampbell's diaries tell how Bush threatened to 'get rid of' Iain Duncan Smith
if he failed to back Blair over Iraq.
George Bush threatened to topple former Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith if he failed to back Tony Blair over the Iraq War, Alastair Campbell has claimed.
Mr Campbell, who was No??10s director of communications at the time, said the US President made the extraordinary threat during frantic diplomatic exchanges in the final hours before war in March 2003.
He also revealed how Jack Straw, then Foreign Secretary, was so infuriated by the arrogant and bullying Americans that he begged Mr Blair not to send British troops into action, and instead restrict their role to post- conflict humanitarian work. Mr Blair refused.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160439/Campbells-diaries-tell-Bush-threatened-rid-Iain-Duncan-Smith-failed-Blair-Iraq.html#ixzz1y2WWiK9J
Lambrecht98
(9 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Did Bush actually have the clout to make the official opposition in another country dump their leader?(As it happens, Duncan Smith DID end up getting removed as Tory leader without ever getting the chance to lead the Tories through a general election, so maybe Dubya carried out his threat).
(on edit)having read the linked article...it's clear that Bush's threat was far greater than simply deposing Duncan Smith as Tory leader. Campbell's diaries quote Bush as saying "we will get rid of THEM"...which may mean that Bush was threatening to exterminate the entire Conservative Party. Holy 1922 Committee, Batman!
I wish Jack Straw had had the courage of his convictions and resigned as Foreign Secretary when Blair made it clear he'd sent British troops off to Iraq anyway.
BTW, I wonder how much longer it will be before Blair declares himself a Tory and has done with it. He pretty much backs Cameron on everything his government is doing.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)"Nu Labour" meaning he dragged the traditionally centre-left Labour party so far to the right that they became identical to the old Tories. Of course, just as we saw the rightward shift of the Democrats cause the Republicans to move even further right, Cameron's Tories have become the most radically right-wing government we've had since the Restoration.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)Removing IDS would actually have done us a huge favour since he's now become our fanatical Secretary for Work and Pensions who thinks it's a "sin" to be unemployed and sick people "fester" on disability benefits.
LeftishBrit
(41,219 posts)I have an anti-IDS song in my DU journal.
By the way, he once co-authored an article on 'Compassionate conservativism' with Rick Santorum!
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)We have the most radical right-wing government since the Restoration so that doesn't surprise me at all. I wish it did.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,422 posts)No, really:
TB: 'My military have given me formal advice re the full moon.' It's not a problem, said Bush. 'What are they taking away the moon?' TB said he would have to check it out. There was clear tension between Bush wanting sooner and TB wanting later.
TB went over the politics here, how we were pulling out every stop. TB said there was a danger the Tories would see this as their chance to get rid of him, support us on a war motion, but not a confidence motion. Bush said they would make it clear to the Tories that if they moved to get rid of TB 'we will get rid of them'. He said he wouldn't speak to 'Iain Duncan Baker' himself TB didn't correct him 'but he'll know my message'.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/jun/15/campbell-blair-bush-iraq-war
Yet again, you wonder how the world survived with that fool in such power.
LeftishBrit
(41,219 posts)'you wonder how the world survived with that fool in such power'
Well, it didn't survive terribly well!
LeftishBrit
(41,219 posts)T_i_B
(14,749 posts)....that Ian Duncan-Smith was a poor, ineffective leader of the opposition, and such such a lot of Tories would in all likelihood have been very receptive to US republicans urging them to wield the knife.
As it was he only lasted til October 2003 before the Tories booted him out of the leadership in favour of Michael Howard anyway.
And regarding his performance as Work & Pensions secretary, he's he's been bad, but is there any Tory minister who wouldn't be spiteful towards the poorest & most vulnerable in that role? Class warfare on behalf of the rich against the poor is one of the main principles of the current government.
LeftishBrit
(41,219 posts)I think you're right that any current Tory would be spiteful against the poorest and most vulnerable (almost the definition of 'right wing', at least nowadays!); but I do think that Duncan-Smith is more sanctimonious and missionary-like about it than most. Most Tories like to kick people when they're down; Duncan-Smith likes to kick people when they're down and also to preach about how it's really very good for people to be kicked when they're down! The 'Centre for Social Justice' (meaning in typical Tory-speak just the opposite) - ugh! I tend, both in politics and in real life, to find those who represent themselves as 'cruel to be kind' more repugnant, and also possibly more effective in achieving their aims, than those who are cruel out of blatant selfishness and don't really bother to pretend otherwise.
Yes, I do remember Duncan-Smith as a weak, ineffective, rather dull Tory leader, which as far as I'm concerned is the best sort of Tory leader to have. Sadly, he is much more effective and articulate now; must be getting useful advice from somewhere.